How the Artemis 1 Rocket is made a good example of the US and Europe building in cooperation together.

Thunderjet · Nov 16, 2022

triumph406 said:
Do business with them, talk to other vendors who do business with them. Then you'll discover there a bunch of c****, starting from Musk all the way down. SoCal has lots of machine shops who despise SpaceX after doing business with them.

Hmm,
Maybe Musk likes Kansas better.

We do stuff for Earthlink and SpaceX. We have for years.
If you deliver quality products, tested to their standards, on time, they love you and order more stuff.
And, they pay on time.

NASA not so much.

Imagine that.

triumph406 · Nov 16, 2022

Trueturning said:
Vendors sometimes need to do a check on their attitude. They may want to stop doing business with a customer. It is a free country and even the customer can choose another shop to do business with.

The vendors attitude is not the problem, it's the SpaceX employees attitude that creates the problems. It's the way they deal with vendors that causes the problems.

The last company I worked for adds a very healthy premium to their price when working with SpaceX And as they are one of only 3 US companies who do what they do, they can get away with it.

Around LA SpaceX is notorious for being bad to deal with.

triumph406 · Nov 16, 2022

Thunderjet said:
Hmm,
Maybe Musk likes Kansas better.

We do stuff for Earthlink and SpaceX. We have for years.
If you deliver quality products, tested to their standards, on time, they love you and order more stuff.
And, they pay on time.

NASA not so much.

Imagine that.

Well there's always somebody willing to kiss the SpaceX ring.

Not me never will.

Thunderjet · Nov 16, 2022

triumph406 said:
Well there's always somebody willing to kiss the SpaceX ring.

Not me never will.

K

We don't kiss any "rings".

Meanwhile.......We are cashing checks.

Trueturning · Nov 16, 2022

triumph406 said:
Well there's always somebody willing to kiss the SpaceX ring.

Not me never will.

Maybe you think one or the other does some kind of worship (kiss the ring-silly one) to the other yet I disagree. Space X has proven itself even if Elon is a big bad boss. In machining there are many lesser like him which you might even defend if you might be working for them.

Trueturning · Nov 16, 2022

triumph406 said:
Well there's always somebody willing to kiss the SpaceX ring.

Not me never will.

You might if you could handle the business and deliver to S-X.

CalG · Nov 17, 2022

I stand in total awe of the us space program .

I have had my own hands on components that are now part of nearly every image from the HST and those of the first pair of mars rovers. I was invited to attend the launching of the service mission to correct the "seeing" of the HST. There, I was gripped and overwhelmed with the power displayed . The power of literally millions of hard working people around the world, but mostly Americans, coming together to produce a result that rivals any wonders of the modern world. We take so much for granted.
The fact that the launch blast grabs one by the very air they breath and shakes the soul into an awareness that defies comparison is a side show.
The human endevour is pinical. We live in remarkable times.

CalG · Nov 17, 2022

On a note of humor:

We seem to be slipping,

in 1969 it only took THREE days to travel to the moon.

Now it takes SIX days..

mhajicek · Nov 17, 2022

jaguar36 said:
Being able to reuse the spacecraft is not a new concept that SpaceX invented. The space shuttle was reusable. Nor is all of the Falcon 9 able to be reused, only the first stage is reused.
They could have made the solid rocket boosters on the SLS reusable pretty easily, however they are just simple tubes filled with fuel. The capture and refurbishment costs would have outweighed the benefits. The core stage with its expensive engines would be very valuable to reuse, however making it capable of landing and recovery would add alot of extra weight (reducing the SLS's payload capability) and alot of cost to the whole program. The Core stage of the SLS goes an order of magnitude faster than the first stage of the Falcon 9.

The SLS costs so much per launch because it has so few launches to amortize the cost over and because NASA imposed an extremely high requirement set and kept changing them during development, not because it isn't reusable.

The Shuttle was rebuildable. They had to take it apart, inspect everything, replace a bunch of parts, put it back together, and reinspect it. IIRC it cost about half as much to refurbish it as to build a new one, and took several months. That's not exactly reusable. It would have been cheaper to use disposable rockets with a crew pod on top at that point in the game, each one could have been sized for the payload instead of having to shoehorn payloads into the shuttle bay, and they could have had access to higher orbits. They could have had a functional escape system too.

The best thing about the Shuttles was how they looked like futuristic space planes.

Big B · Nov 18, 2022

DDoug said:
Having a look-see at the back of moon somehow benefits "Joe Bag of donuts" ?
How about spending 1/1000 of that on more police ?
Fix the roads.

In Michigan we elected a Democrat for governor four years ago and she promised to "fix the damn roads". They aren't all fixed but she sure did fix a lot of them already and more are on the way to being fixed after she handily defeated her R opponent.

The last governor of 8 years was a republicon and let our roads go to shit even after putting a new tax on seniors pensions that brought in around 2 billion dollars extra to our state. Did I mention that he also gave our billionaires a huge tax break?

During this time is the only time in my life that I ever read that we were letting some roads go from paved to gravel. Thanks governor for that one. Our local billionaires don't seem to worry about roads too much seems as that they have a helicopter in their yard to go places with.

Big B · Nov 18, 2022

DDoug said:
Wow.
How about NOT spending so much of MY tax money eh ?
Imagine simply restricting these wild goose chases.

Get off the government heroin.

In an earlier post you complained that your roads aren't being fixed and now you complain about the gov spending "so much of my tax money"? Do you think unpaid volunteers repair your roads?

Something that I have noticed is that many people think it's rude to discuss money but think it's OK if they are complaining about paying a lot of taxes.

standardparts · Nov 18, 2022

mhajicek said:
The best thing about the Shuttles was how they looked like futuristic space planes.

Yes, everything about the Shuttle was impressive. NASA really did a great PR job by involving schools, teachers, children and introducing them to science by including various experiments to be carried on board. For it's time it was a huge win and maybe it was more in sync with the mood and spirit of that time frame---the 1980s was a pretty flashy time.
The advances in technology we are seeing right now probably have more value for the average citizen but lack the visual wow factor. But technological achievement advances but not so much in the eye of the general public.

Thunderjet · Nov 18, 2022

In Michigan we elected a Democrat for governor four years ago and she promised to "fix the damn roads".

The last governor of 8 years was a republicon and let our roads go to shit even after putting a new tax on seniors pensions that brought in around 2 billion dollars extra to our state. Did I mention that he also gave our billionaires a huge tax break?

Oh Great.

The official shit stirrer in residence has returned to inform us about how much money the state of Michigan spends on road repair, in a thread about the space program.

The rest of us were talking about how cool it was to have NASA return to human space travel .

Nothing in there about roads, or governors, or pensions, or taxing seniors.

Thanks,
Thanks for that.

Trueturning · Nov 18, 2022

Things have noticeably been much more focused than it was before the efforts of the moderators. I have noticed that trend and members are trying to address the topic. Too when it might trail off a bit things seem less combative overall.

That the shuttle was so expensive to maintain was not a surprise to me as it is typical. Ending the shuttle program was a good decision because it was time. The launches were awesome if someone could get t,here in person to see.

Milling man · Nov 26, 2022

I want to congratulate everyone on the successful launch of Artemis! Lots of anticipation and lots of excitement.
I hope in a few years I will see a man again on the moon.

SeymourDumore · Nov 28, 2022

mhajicek said:
It would have been cheaper to use disposable rockets with a crew pod on top at that point in the game, each one could have been sized for the payload instead of having to shoehorn payloads into the shuttle bay,
The best thing about the Shuttles was how they looked like futuristic space planes.

I disagree on the looks part, but would add that having that bay on the shuttle, coupled with the ability to maneuver with relative ease gave NASA certain capabilities which simply doesn't exist otherwise.
Note that even during the shuttle's existence there were plenty of standard rockets launched to carry ordinary payloads into orbit.

jim rozen · Nov 29, 2022

"in 1969 it only took THREE days to travel to the moon." (Cal)

Wrong. It took 66 years to travel to the moon. We all stand on the shoulders of giants.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/Wright_First_Flight_1903Dec17_%28full_restore_115%29.jpg

Trueturning · Nov 29, 2022

I saw this today which is interesting. NASA wants to have a base camp on the moon and wants a company in Austin Tx. To use 3D printers to construct it.

NASA Hires Company to 3D Print American Base on the Moon

3D printing firm ICON just landed a $57.2 million contract from NASA for Project Olympus, the company's mission to create 3D-printed Moon shelters.

futurism.com

Trueturning · Dec 11, 2022

So this mission is completed today with splashdown. They are testing out the heat shields on reentry. This is really a huge concern. Just FYI

Historic moon mission concludes with splashdown of Orion capsule | CNN

The Artemis I mission — a historic uncrewed test flight around the moon meant to pave the way for future astronaut missions — is coming to an end as NASA's Orion spacecraft is making an ocean splashdown on Sunday.

www.cnn.com

Trueturning · Dec 25, 2022

It is good to see that things worked well for the mission. This is a update after the fact for those who appreciate this endeavor.

Here’s why NASA’s Artemis I mission is so rare, and so remarkable

"It is the beginning of the new beginning."

arstechnica.com

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