plastikdreams
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Automation will never replace me
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So you washed out of the T&D program.....Excellent.
You have seen Fanuc robots loading CNC lathes ?
Been around for many, many years.
Oh looky, here's another owner looking to automate, a CNC lathe no less:
First robot suggestions?
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plastikdreams
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My thought of a cnc machinist...if I was making a job description is
Can fully inspect first article per print before running more parts. Does the same at required intervals.
Can debur and inspect parts while keeping machine running.
Can program parts, set up, and run without outside assistance. This includes making fixturing for new parts or part of continuous improvement, including program optimization.
Can make adjustments on the fly to correct tool paths.
Can operate manual mills and lathes to assist in product finishing (2nd ops etc) and or fixture building.
Performs maintenance on machine such as cleaning, lubing, and inspecting wear parts.
There's probably more but you get the gist.
gustafson
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Uhh, yeah, so they can program parts without knowing what a speed or a feed is because they are just a 'button pusher'
They can tell when something is wrong by the sound the machine makes because they are just a 'button pusher'
While there is a certain tactile pleasure in feeling the edge of the cutter make contact with the part as you turn the handle, there is more pleasure from eating and living indoors that comes from actually making enough money at ones vocation to take advantage of those things
There's no replacement for experience but an ambitious person can pack a lot more of it into a year than their peers. Up until I started my own side shop last year I never turned down an ounce of overtime, took night classes, read machine manuals and watched instructional videos off the clock. Now I work all day then drive to my shop and work all night and all weekend. I figure that at 31yo if 2000hrs=1yrs experience I've been doing this for 30+ years.
CarbideBob
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"I can not be replaced by automation, robots or computers".
Are there any more famous last words than these?
Are there any more famous last words than these?
mhajicek
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It's a matter of when, not if. Might take a few hundred years, in which case you won't have to worry about it unless you're young, seriously invest in life extension technologies, and get really lucky.
Might take 20 years, in which case, better be saving for retirement.
Some have already been replaced.
White Castle Set to Roll Out 100 Flippy Robots - Food On Demand
As well as the aforementioned bar feeders, robot tenders, and pallet pools.
You remember John Henry?
Legend of John Henry's Hammer~Johnny Cash - YouTube
plastikdreams
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I can hoist a jack, I can lay a track, I can pick and shovel too
Can you swing a hammer boy?!
TeachMePlease
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Didn't John Henry's heart explode?
Pyrrhic victories and such...
Pyrrhic victories and such...
From my perspective the way to rank machinist(or any human with a job)from one to another is by asking how complex of a problem can that person solve.
This is the way operational management sees it.
Some jobs just have to go to your best people or teams.
As long as people are making decisions and making demands there will be complexity that must be sorted out by the capable.
I see all these societal "problems" as simply raising the value of my personal stock. Supply and demand baby!
I as well as many others on this site are already making 6 figures a year because that's what our skill sets are worth.
My customers demand same and next day deliveries, until some one comes up with a teleporter you aren't going to get that from the third world.
Suck it up boys the only way to ensure your job is to do your damndest every day to be the best guy on the crew you work with.
They've been calling this thing a rat race since grandpa's grandpa's time, nothings changed.
This is the way operational management sees it.
Some jobs just have to go to your best people or teams.
As long as people are making decisions and making demands there will be complexity that must be sorted out by the capable.
I see all these societal "problems" as simply raising the value of my personal stock. Supply and demand baby!
I as well as many others on this site are already making 6 figures a year because that's what our skill sets are worth.
My customers demand same and next day deliveries, until some one comes up with a teleporter you aren't going to get that from the third world.
Suck it up boys the only way to ensure your job is to do your damndest every day to be the best guy on the crew you work with.
They've been calling this thing a rat race since grandpa's grandpa's time, nothings changed.
mhajicek
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Yup. And you too can outcompete automation, for a while, if you put in 110% 80 hours a week.
I'd rather put in 90% 40 hours a week, and tell the machines what to do.
I got into cnc machines because I like making things...I can only make so many things with my own hands. Now with a couple cnc's I can usually make three different things at the same time... or two...if I don't want to manually make anything. Its kind of like having a couple clones of myself
Milland
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So with this thread back I can ask: does anyone remembers why the OP got himself banned?
garyhlucas
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The lady getting the caulk testing robot loves it. She has carpal tunnel and she will be kept for her expertise in the product.
The guys working at the place getting a fully automated lathe sitting at the end of the plastic pipe extruder that puts the product into a rack with no human intervention. Or the machine follows that automatically loads and drills them. 9 people across 3 shifts that HR can't hire fast enough as they walk out the door.
This is the first place I have worked with full time machinists. It's tough, they say "This piece of material is 12-1/2" long and the print says 12" How accurate does it need to be? They are totally blown when I tell them not to bother with another cut. They set up the big horizontal bandsaw to miter 4 pieces of angle iron both ends. All I wanted was to clip off the corners with the portaband so I could weld it!
The guys working at the place getting a fully automated lathe sitting at the end of the plastic pipe extruder that puts the product into a rack with no human intervention. Or the machine follows that automatically loads and drills them. 9 people across 3 shifts that HR can't hire fast enough as they walk out the door.
This is the first place I have worked with full time machinists. It's tough, they say "This piece of material is 12-1/2" long and the print says 12" How accurate does it need to be? They are totally blown when I tell them not to bother with another cut. They set up the big horizontal bandsaw to miter 4 pieces of angle iron both ends. All I wanted was to clip off the corners with the portaband so I could weld it!
Strostkovy
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One thing that seems to be ignored here is that some parts have very few critical dimensions, or have wide tolerances. That's good enough to have one process control or QC guy periodically check in on a line of machines.
And the person checking doesn't need to know how to solve problems. They just use the supplied gauges and make a call if they aren't right.
And the person checking doesn't need to know how to solve problems. They just use the supplied gauges and make a call if they aren't right.
plastikdreams
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I said cnc machinist not cnc operator
He was erased by automation.....
rons
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The new thing is to recycle folks into compost.
mhajicek
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Soylent Green.
CarbideBob
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40 years back I was part of a project by the big burger place building a fully automated system.
The very costly system could do it all front to back.
Seems the customers wanted friendly faces rather than robots and it was given up on.
The very costly system could do it all front to back.
Seems the customers wanted friendly faces rather than robots and it was given up on.
