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Trboatworks

Diamond
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Maryland- USA
Untrue. They were out plinking WITH THAT GUN the previous night.

They left a round in the cylinder. Real life: they fucked up and that was the second link in the chain. First link: gun should never have left the armorer's custody. Third link: she was responsible for verifying the state of the gun before declaring "cold gun." Baldwin's behavior is the fourth link.

And by behavior I mean by running the production with unreliable, cheap labor.

There was a crew member in charge of arms on the set. Baldwin hired her. She failed at her job.

I have seen far more care practiced with pellet pistols and rifles at my local club.
 

chuckg7442

Aluminum
Joined
Apr 9, 2018
All in all, a lot of blame is to be had on a lot of people...

Yes, very sad... Anyway, that still doesn't help me find ammo for cheap at my local stores.
 

SteelrFn

Stainless
Joined
Jul 19, 2021
All in all, a lot of blame is to be had on a lot of people...

Yes, very sad... Anyway, that still doesn't help me find ammo for cheap at my local stores.

So I am guessing the price of ammo hasn't gone down yet? I've not looked in the past year.
I purchased about 1000 rounds for my Glock45 when I saw it starting to skyrocket and haven't bought any since.
 

Scottl

Diamond
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Location
Eastern Massachusetts, USA
Untrue. They were out plinking WITH THAT GUN the previous night.

They left a round in the cylinder. Real life: they fucked up and that was the second link in the chain. First link: gun should never have left the armorer's custody. Third link: she was responsible for verifying the state of the gun before declaring "cold gun." Baldwin's behavior is the fourth link.

And by behavior I mean by running the production with unreliable, cheap labor.

There was a crew member in charge of arms on the set. Baldwin hired her. She failed at her job.

The assistant director failed as well, and he was the one who handed Baldwin the gun and announced "cold gun" to the set.

I used to do cowboy action shooting and they had stringent safety procedures. All competitors waiting to shoot had to have all firearms EMPTY, revolvers holstered and long guns with actions open. When your turn comes, you go to a loading table and load the guns under the watchful eye of at least one range officer. Then, after shooting the course you go to an unloading table where you demonstrate that all guns are unloaded under the watchful eye of at least one range officer. Minor infractions are punished by disqualification from a round and major infractions are punished by disqualification from the entire match.

I don't know if they still use the old 5-in-1 blanks that were standard fare in Hollywood, but those were red and had a distinctive bottle nose shape making them easy to tell apart from real ammo. As I said before, this particular set was having lots of safety and crew issues so perhaps the shooting was the natural result of a poorly supervised dangerous workplace.
 

Scottl

Diamond
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Location
Eastern Massachusetts, USA
"Thell Reed is the father of set armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed, who was the head armorer for Rust during the October 2021 "Rust" movie set shooting incident"

Thell Reed is a well known competition shooter and firearm consultant. No doubt Ms. Reed was no stranger to firearms.

https://celebsaga.com/thell-reed-daughter-hannah-gutierrez-reed-age-wikipedia-and-net-worth/

Again, the assistant director was the weak link here. He was the one who actually handed the gun to Baldwin WITHOUT CHECKING after picking it up from a table.

Perhaps the armorer was not on set full time. The production seemed to take cost cutting to extreme levels.
 

jim rozen

Diamond
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Feb 26, 2004
Location
peekskill, NY
The assistant director failed as well, and he was the one who handed Baldwin the gun and announced "cold gun" to the set.

I had (mistakenly?) heard it was the armorer who made that declaration.

But its pretty obvious there were many mistakes that compounded to kill that person. The chain of errors could have been broken at any time by any one person doing the right thing. Like most big disasters, it's not just *one* thing that goes wrong.
 

FredC

Titanium
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Oct 29, 2010
Location
Dewees Texas
Untrue. They were out plinking WITH THAT GUN the previous night.

Heard that it may have been earlier in the day they were plinking with said revolver. Going along with the theme of this thread were did they even find 45 Colt or whatever ammo to plink with?

Anyone know where a person could buy 45/70 unprimed Remington brass? I am down to about 25 cases and been using them for pig control with a NEF single shot with a thermal scope. 40 cases would be a big help.
 

FredC

Titanium
Joined
Oct 29, 2010
Location
Dewees Texas
Probably net-out lower-cost over time to acquire something cheaper to keep fed, amortizing the firearm cost off savings in fodder?
Yeah, sixty grains of powder is a lot, but it makes a pleasing thump when it connects with a pig. You know whether you hit one or not. Missed one Tuesday morning shot the 45/70 twice more and heard the thumps. Used the 222 with the night vision scope to kill #3 in front of me. Later got the tractor to cut down the sorghum they wee hiding in and shot at 2 more with a shotgun. They were both running at the limit of the buck shot's range so i had no idea whether I hit them hard are not.
Sprayed weeds out there this morning and there were hundreds of vultures and Mexican eagles in the area. I knew then that some of those ones I hit had died. Found one under the game camera. I guess he came in for a last drink of water and collapsed under the camera. Pig skin next to the fence but it could have been from the one I hit with the 222.

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UncleFrank

Cast Iron
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Location
Midwest, USA
Thank you.

As happens, JFK was prez last time I stocked-up on .300 Savage, and stock heavily we did. But that had nuthin' to do with politics. Reasonable expectations of obsolescence, rather.

Anyone know if .300 Savage is even still stocked?

I've still got several hundred virgin Norma cases, the usual trio of hard-chromed RCBS dies, but haven't had any OTHER reloading bench goods at all in ... damn.. over thirty years?
One weird thing about this round of shortages is the odd/obsolete cartridges on the shelves I haven't seen stocked in a big box store for decades.

I've seen 25/20, 300 H&H, .300 Savage and several others over the past couple months. I wonder if the stores are taking anything they can get just to get something on the shelf?

I've also noticed every time I've gone to Academy they've had plenty of .450 Bushmaster and .350 Legend in stock. I wouldn't think there were enough of those rifles around here to keep more than a couple boxes on the shelf.
 

Big B

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Location
Michigan, USA
Well Big B, I see you aren't following my instructions regarding Trump in posts in this thread. So I will be deleting all your posts in this thread and if I get any pushback from you, I will ask the site owner to ban you.

I just saw this post but it appears to have been to late to be censored (cancel culture here) and have my posts deleted. Good to know that the cancel culture TRUMP CULT MEMBERS are for censorship. And it also appears that you are too lazy to just censor my posts that you consider to be not up to your standards. Some of them were about gun safety.

I'll try to refrain from posting here now that I know that the moderator is also a TRUMP CULT MEMBER.

I also noticed that you deleted my posts even though I hadn't posted any more posts at all. Seems like you had your mind made up already.

You TRUMP CULT MEMBERS won't be happy until you are the only ones left on this site.
 

chuckg7442

Aluminum
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I picked up 125 rounds of .22wmr 40 gn hollow points for $30. I don’t think that was a bad deal since I normally paid $15-$20 for 50 rounds during the good times.
 

mhajicek

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Minneapolis, MN, USA
I - humbly, if you can believe it - now request his ONE post be let stand.

As HARD EVIDENCE of malicious intent towards the PM community.

Certifiable insanity.

Or some combination, thereof.

Not that we should have to care which. Folks have stuff to do.

Sounds like you think that pointing out obvious malicious intent from the group towards him, is evidence of him having malicious intent towards the group. Weird.

For consistency and neutrality, if people mentioning Trump in a negative light are to have their posts deleted, the same standard should apply to anyone mentioning Biden or any other politician in a negative light. Anything else is hypocrisy.
 

Big B

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Sounds like you think that pointing out obvious malicious intent from the group towards him, is evidence of him having malicious intent towards the group. Weird.

For consistency and neutrality, if people mentioning Trump in a negative light are to have their posts deleted, the same standard should apply to anyone mentioning Biden or any other politician in a negative light. Anything else is hypocrisy.

The TRUMP CULT MEMBERS like hypocrisy, as long as they are the ones practicing it. And they're not the least bit shy about showing it.
 

GGaskill

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Central AZ
Seems like anyone who doesn't subscribe to your dogma is a TRUMP CULT member. Shows what you know. Time to reach out to the owner.
 

triumph406

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Joined
Sep 14, 2008
Location
ca
One weird thing about this round of shortages is the odd/obsolete cartridges on the shelves I haven't seen stocked in a big box store for decades.

I've seen 25/20, 300 H&H, .300 Savage and several others over the past couple months. I wonder if the stores are taking anything they can get just to get something on the shelf?

I've also noticed every time I've gone to Academy they've had plenty of .450 Bushmaster and .350 Legend in stock. I wouldn't think there were enough of those rifles around here to keep more than a couple boxes on the shelf.

The local Gun store owner was telling me that when he was getting ammunition during the worst of the shortages, to get what he wanted 9mm/45acp etc, he had take what ever else was on the pallet.

He said distribitors were unloading a lot of old stock that hasn't been selling. He had shelves full of ammo he knew he'd never sell now. But he had no choice but to accept whatever was shipping. I assume maybe that's what your seeing
 

UncleFrank

Cast Iron
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Nov 14, 2015
Location
Midwest, USA
The local Gun store owner was telling me that when he was getting ammunition during the worst of the shortages, to get what he wanted 9mm/45acp etc, he had take what ever else was on the pallet.

He said distribitors were unloading a lot of old stock that hasn't been selling. He had shelves full of ammo he knew he'd never sell now. But he had no choice but to accept whatever was shipping. I assume maybe that's what your seeing

That's probably the case. Smith&Wesson used to do that with pistols. To get the popular ones you had to take a few that weren't very popular.

They used to produce some of the old stuff only once per year for a short run. 45/70 used to be that way before it became popular again. They'd ship what little they made to stores and when those were gone you couldn't find it again until the next year.
 

triumph406

Titanium
Joined
Sep 14, 2008
Location
ca
All in all, a lot of blame is to be had on a lot of people...

Yes, very sad... Anyway, that still doesn't help me find ammo for cheap at my local stores.

Do what the rest of us had to do, order online

ammoseek.com is usefull, you can either search by caliber, manufacturer or both.

There's ammo to be found, I find plenty of ammo for the same price as local stores (when they have it) Most places if you buy enough you'll get free shipping. It has to be shipped to an FFL here in CA. They charge $15 to process the shipment. Not that inconveniant imho
 

chuckg7442

Aluminum
Joined
Apr 9, 2018
Do what the rest of us had to do, order online

ammoseek.com is usefull, you can either search by caliber, manufacturer or both.

There's ammo to be found, I find plenty of ammo for the same price as local stores (when they have it) Most places if you buy enough you'll get free shipping. It has to be shipped to an FFL here in CA. They charge $15 to process the shipment. Not that inconveniant imho

That would be awesome, but I live in NY. NY is where fun goes to die after it gets man handled by Cali. Part of the UNsafe act is that ammo has to be shipped to an FFL dealer. It doesn't seem many places are willing to ship to NY as a result. But I don't think that NY actually knows how the act is supposed to work.
 








 
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