MetalCarnage
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SteveF
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There is one thing I am a little curious about. In the post-Timothy McVeigh, post-9/11 United States, if you walk into a chemical industrial supply house and plunk down an order form for larqe quantities of chemicals used to make a highly explosive compound:
One - how long did you sit in the waiting room until the ATF agents showed up?
Two - how long did they ask you questions about your plans for those chemicals?
Three - how long did the search of your house take?
Steve
One - how long did you sit in the waiting room until the ATF agents showed up?
Two - how long did they ask you questions about your plans for those chemicals?
Three - how long did the search of your house take?
Steve
neilho
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Why would anyone walk in to a chemical supply house and order? That's just asking for unwanted attention. These days people place orders via phone or online.
Not to mention Timothy McVeigh didn't. He used stuff anyone can still buy in farm country, no questions asked.
Not to mention Timothy McVeigh didn't. He used stuff anyone can still buy in farm country, no questions asked.
SteveF
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So change it to "One - how long after you clicked on Submit Order did the ATF agents show up at your house"
If you think explosives grade ammonium nitrate is still available out HERE in farm country - no questions asked, think again.
Fertilizer Control: DHS Creates 'Ammonium Nitrate Security Program' | CNSNews
If you think trying to buy explosives grade chemicals to produce primers is the same as buying a snuggie off Amazon, try it and let us know how it worked out.
Steve
If you think explosives grade ammonium nitrate is still available out HERE in farm country - no questions asked, think again.
Fertilizer Control: DHS Creates 'Ammonium Nitrate Security Program' | CNSNews
If you think trying to buy explosives grade chemicals to produce primers is the same as buying a snuggie off Amazon, try it and let us know how it worked out.
Steve
SteveF
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Yeah, life would be a lot easier if a small number of people didn't have to screw it up for everyone.
Here are some photos from old Sears catalogs.
Let's see from the 1902 catalog (reprinted) you can buy explosives, blasting caps and the blasting machine just by filling out the convenient order form and having it delivered right to your front door - no questions asked.
Then from the military supplement, a nice, Army surplus, Colt machinegun with ammo. Ok, it wasn't a very good machinegun and don't forget to clean out all the corrosive primer residue after firing.
If that's too far back here is a 1967 catalog. Just fill out the order form and have a nice M1 carbine ASSAULT RIFLE right to your front door.
Hell, when I was growing up if the teacher couldn't get the box open, he/she would ask "Does anyone have a knife". You would walk up to the front, let the teacher cut open the box, get your knife back and return to your seat.
edit - For the uniformed, buying machine guns and such without a Federal permit ended with the 1934 National Fireams Act, buying guns through mail order - no questions asked, ended with the 1968 Gun Control Act.
Steve
Here are some photos from old Sears catalogs.
Let's see from the 1902 catalog (reprinted) you can buy explosives, blasting caps and the blasting machine just by filling out the convenient order form and having it delivered right to your front door - no questions asked.
Then from the military supplement, a nice, Army surplus, Colt machinegun with ammo. Ok, it wasn't a very good machinegun and don't forget to clean out all the corrosive primer residue after firing.
If that's too far back here is a 1967 catalog. Just fill out the order form and have a nice M1 carbine ASSAULT RIFLE right to your front door.
Hell, when I was growing up if the teacher couldn't get the box open, he/she would ask "Does anyone have a knife". You would walk up to the front, let the teacher cut open the box, get your knife back and return to your seat.
edit - For the uniformed, buying machine guns and such without a Federal permit ended with the 1934 National Fireams Act, buying guns through mail order - no questions asked, ended with the 1968 Gun Control Act.
Steve
john.k
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There is no need to make the metal parts...you already have them....simply straighten out the dent in the cup,and reload the compound ......And if you look for the list of US Federally controlled materials ,there are thousands of compounds there .and as soon as someone makes primers with a new combination ,those chemicals are on the list too......For instance ,many think they can buy metal powders for nefarious uses......nope ,metal powders used in paint are all"non reactive grade"...and in any case ,just planning the manufacture of regulated substances is called "constructive intent"and can get you a free holiday .
What type material to stamp the discs out ? What diameter disc is best for small pistol primer ? What is best diameter of punch press tap die? How many tons of pressure is sufficient ? Simply stamping out the cup for the primer. Done correctly & consistently there is a market for these as well as the anvils..The ignition compound is available at 22: reloader website..Or one can choose to develop their own..BUT AGAIN THE WARNING, to take caution and know what you are doing with the impact compound..This post is mainly about the potential demand & sales of raw, bare, and empty primer cups and anvils..Many are searching and seeking to buy..The actual assembly process , wetting, drying, etc.. Insistence of small quantities per intervals, separation of chemicals,etc..I will leave to previous experienced individuals to explain. BUT IT IS IMPORTANT YOU DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING ...TREAT IT AS DANGEROUS AS HANDLING NITRO GLYCERIN !
Intergalactic
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You’re welcome to reach out me in the MeWe group on reloading primers to discuss the cup and anvil forming dies. ALOT of people there would jump on this
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Scottl
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I doubt there are any commercial dies for DIY. You'll have to make your own, and while the one for the cup might be pretty simple you'll also need to make a set for the anvils. As for compound, there is (was?) a guy out there selling kits to reprime rimfire cases and that compound should work.
I agree with those who suggest reusing once-fired primers. The punch/die to straighten them would be much simpler and any friends who reload might save old ones for you. One thing to remember is that if the reforming thins the firing pin impact point there may be a risk of pierced primers.
I agree with those who suggest reusing once-fired primers. The punch/die to straighten them would be much simpler and any friends who reload might save old ones for you. One thing to remember is that if the reforming thins the firing pin impact point there may be a risk of pierced primers.
1yesca
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but that was before are country was homogenized by none western [Europeans] that don't share the same values as us and have no respect for our laws or our way of live and when you call them on it the first worlds out of there mouth is your a racist or in my country ok if that's how you feel about it and you don't like our way of life then stay in your country and live us to play with our guns
GGaskill
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If you reuse fired primers, you might want to anneal (in an oven) them so repeated stretchings by firing don't cause stress hardening at the dimple. And even with that, recycle them as you do with old brass after a number of firings.
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deltaenterprizes
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The information that you seek is in a book produced by the NRA called “Ammunition Making” by George Frost.
It is no longer available in print form but is available as a download online.
It is no longer available in print form but is available as a download online.
Hbjj
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I've had this exact thought myself .
Ide like to see a weapon capable of taking a deer at 100 yards that used nothing that (they) can take away!...
BoxcarPete
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Sounds like you might be interested in large bore air rifles:
Can I hunt deer with an air rifle? - Jack Outdoors
Hbjj
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Yes I've made a couple ugly prototype things and got decent performance
But I'm struggling with making a simple elegant weapon that is safe,reliable,easy to make and maintain.
Yan Wo
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Every time I come across this title, my first thought is, "Who died?"
Did you ever get a source for primers dies or punch for the anvil?Does anyone know where I can get dies to make primers, any feed back would be appreciated. Thanks,Mike Hoffman
Scottl
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In some places you could still buy dynamite over the counter well into the 20th century. It was commonly used for removing stumps and boulders in farmland.
Clerk: "May I ask what you are going to do with all that dynamite?"
Charlie Varrick (grinning): "You certainly may." (As he picks up the dynamite and walks out)
Scottl
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Self bow and homemade arrows. The Indians did it for thousands of years using local materials including flint for points and feathers for fletching. The used tree resin and sinew for lashing.
These days a mechanically savvy person could easily make their own crossbow and bolts. Much easier to shoot accurately for someone not practicing constantly.
