Some guys just love their Glocks

cyanidekid · Jan 11, 2023

triumph406 said:
Did you hear him crying like a bitch? Crying for his mother? Screaming his head off?

Most people would have panicked and run thru the whole clip and sprayed bullets everywhere but the Lion, then fumbled around trying to drop the clip and put a new clip in. By which time the Lion has either attacked or run off. The guy in the video was very carefull with how many shots he used.

He was in control. Maybe not of his bowels, but most everything else.

He didn't die, and apparently neither did the Mountain Lion, so the guy was carefull

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Go and find a Mountain Lion and lets see what you would do. Could you even shot straight in a stressful situation? Not sure everybody could.

I have no idea why folk are so defensive.
I didn't make any kind of a personal attack toward this person, and yes he did ok on that day.
im criticizing TACTICS, and what is optimum for survival.

yes, none of us can be absolutely certain how we would react in a given stressful situation, but I have been a student of armed encounters for decades, and im reacting with the best information I can. I do not think this is the best reasonable response to the situation for the threat.

it seems I've hit a bit of a nerve, lol! look, let me say it again, I got no beef with this guy, im responding to what I see in the vid.

as to the personal hostility and challenge, what's with that? ok, how about a speed shooting match, would you accept that's a stressful situation?
I'm up for that.

scsmith42 · Jan 11, 2023

IMO that guy is lucky to be alive. A one handed grip on the pistol is a poor choice, as evidenced by the fact that he missed two very close shots. You can see the lack of control over the pistol by the way that it moves during his second shot. Tactically it was unsound to wait until the cat attacked too, as then you're trying to hit a more rapidly moving target.

And guys, a "clip" is what an M1 Garand uses for reloading. Modern semi-autos use a detachable box magazine, or magazine for short.

72bwhite · Jan 11, 2023

well if you shoot a mountain lion you better be able to make the case for self defense
but yes under those conditions you can shoot one in California.
but then that would be the case pretty much any where.
don’t know of any place that issues mountain lion tags.

the one big advantage of the Glock is the luxury of being able to spray a few shots around

cyanidekid · Jan 11, 2023

72bwhite said:
the one big advantage of the Glock is the luxury of being able to spray a few shots around

good god. well, I guess I shouldn't have been surprised by the reactions.
do I really need to explain why there is so much wrong with even saying this?

michiganbuck · Jan 11, 2023

Re: IMO that guy is lucky to be alive. A one-handed grip on the pistol is a poor choice, as evidenced by the fact that he missed two very close shots. You can see the lack of control over the pistol by the way that it moves during his second shot. Tactically it was unsound to wait until the cat attacked too, as then you're trying to hit a more rapidly moving target.

Agree, the guy was breathing hard, a sign that let the cat know that he/she was in charge of the situation..if he had dropped the gun he likely would have been a nice warm dinner for the cat.
Very poor first shot hitting behind the cat.

triumph406 · Jan 12, 2023

72bwhite said:
the one big advantage of the Glock is the luxury of being able to spray a few shots around

Unless you have a California legal Glock that limits you too 10+1

Scottl · Jan 12, 2023

triumph406 said:
I think it's safe to assume that if the cat had got any closer the person would have dropped the phone and taken care of business.

It's also safe to assume the guy in the video could chew gum/walk/talk/ and shoot at the same time. He was in control.

Anybody under 40 probably wouldn't think twice about wiping the phone out, even in the face of danger. When your in your 60's (me) there's better uses of your limited mental resources then trying to defend your self and frame the shot at the same time.

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I probably would have been crapping my pants, actually, not probably 100%

I don't think that is a valid assumption considering how far a cougar can travel in one leap. Likely the cell phone holder didn't realize that and even if he shot it in midair it could still tear him up pretty badly before it died. One in the ground right in front of it followed by several intended to kill if it didn't change its posture would be the safest course.

scsmith42 · Jan 12, 2023

72bwhite said:
the one big advantage of the Glock is the luxury of being able to spray a few shots around

I've always believed that a "slow hit" was better than a "fast miss"...

I will say this - by the time that he took his first shot he had a clear line of sight to the entire path that the cat would take to get to him. An earlier shot would have left the predator somewhat obscured in the field of bushes - much more difficult tactically.

scsmith42 · Jan 12, 2023

Scottl said:
I don't think that is a valid assumption considering how far a cougar can travel in one leap. Likely the cell phone holder didn't realize that and even if he shot it in midair it could still tear him up pretty badly before it died. One in the ground right in front of it followed by several intended to kill if it didn't change its posture would be the safest course.

You make some valid points - especially in your opening statement. My primary concern with an intentional "warning shot" at that close of a distance is the extreme difficulty with being able to hit a moving target - especially if the cat chose to "zig-zag" rapidly on it's approach. And especially with a one-handed grip.

DrHook · Jan 12, 2023

72bwhite said:
well if you shoot a mountain lion you better be able to make the case for self defense
but yes under those conditions you can shoot one in California.
but then that would be the case pretty much any where.
don’t know of any place that issues mountain lion tags.

the one big advantage of the Glock is the luxury of being able to spray a few shots around

South Dakota's season is underway right now, as it has for 18 years....
If one doesn't have a tag or witnesses, the the "Three S Rule" applies year around...
Personally, if I'm gonna be where there could be cats, I wouldn't go there with only a 9, and I would have done the first shot much sooner...

Scottl · Jan 12, 2023

scsmith42 said:
You make some valid points - especially in your opening statement. My primary concern with an intentional "warning shot" at that close of a distance is the extreme difficulty with being able to hit a moving target - especially if the cat chose to "zig-zag" rapidly on it's approach. And especially with a one-handed grip.

But he did wind up eventually firing a warning shot and it did cause the cat to temporarily retreat although it took a second one to make it abandon the stalk.

Scottl · Jan 12, 2023

DrHook said:
South Dakota's season is underway right now, as it has for 18 years....
If one doesn't have a tag or witnesses, the the "Three S Rule" applies year around...
Personally, if I'm gonna be where there could be cats, I wouldn't go there with only a 9, and I would have done the first shot much sooner...

Probably minimum choice would be a .40 with alternating hollow points and solids in the magazine to deal with bears as well as less well armored predators.

michiganbuck · Jan 12, 2023

Very poor first shot hitting behind the cat and the second was just as bad, behind the cat and to the right. The guy is lucky to be alive.
I would have made a careful shot just in front of the cat..actually, a stalking cat that close deserves an end-of-life shot. likely getting away it will consider making another human stalk and the next person or kid may not have a gun...and then telling anyone is just asking for trouble.

72bwhite · Jan 12, 2023

If you actually watch it
it’s obvious he isn’t wanting to shoot the lion,
but by retreating he wasn’t perceived as a threat by the lion.
cat did get the message eventually.
first mistake was not getting big and loud.

as far as the marksmanship well that could be lacking a little…
I will stick with my model 10 smith.

72bwhite · Jan 12, 2023

triumph406 said:
Unless you have a California legal Glock that limits you too 10+1

What didn’t you get your amnesty mags?

cyanidekid · Jan 12, 2023

scsmith42 said:
I've always believed that a "slow hit" was better than a "fast miss"...

I will say this - by the time that he took his first shot he had a clear line of sight to the entire path that the cat would take to get to him. An earlier shot would have left the predator somewhat obscured in the field of bushes - much more difficult tactically.

look at it again, he had a clear shot in 1st second of the vid, it's probably about 20ft away, that's when a warning shot to the ground in front of it would be "exercising restraint", given its body language.
I completely agree with michiganbuck, that cat is a stone cold human predator, a child would be toast. it really needed to be taken care of.

dalmatiangirl61 · Jan 12, 2023

72bwhite said:
don’t know of any place that issues mountain lion tags.

It is legal to hunt them in Nevada, don't know about tags, season etc

I've spent a fair amount of time exploring, hiking, and firewood cutting in the mountains out here, never seen one, yet....rarely armed with much more than a knife, or chainsaw, that vid has me thinking.

72bwhite · Jan 12, 2023

DrHook said:
South Dakota's season is underway right now, as it has for 18 years....
If one doesn't have a tag or witnesses, the the "Three S Rule" applies year around...
Personally, if I'm gonna be where there could be cats, I wouldn't go there with only a 9, and I would have done the first shot much sooner...

Hmm. OK
South Dakota isn’t one of the state I have looked at the fish and game laws.

choice of handgun well it’s what ever one is comfortable with,
a hit with a nine beats a miss with something else.

Glock in 40 is a very different animal compared to the same size in 9
I had a model 22 not fun to shoot drop in a 9 conversion barrel very different

DrHook · Friday at 7:25 AM

72bwhite said:
Hmm. OK
South Dakota isn’t one of the state I have looked at the fish and game laws.

choice of handgun well it’s what ever one is comfortable with,
a hit with a nine beats a miss with something else.

Glock in 40 is a very different animal compared to the same size in 9
I had a model 22 not fun to shoot drop in a 9 conversion barrel very different

I've never fired a Glock. I'm not "Gangstah" enough to own one, I guess.

michiganbuck · Friday at 8:39 AM

I found the Blackhawk 44 mag had too sharp a hammer edge, and after a number of shots would bruise my skin. Now I have two 9mm,1 25 -ACP, and one SW38 special.
I think the SW is the most reliable and most accurate

I shot the Glock 40 just target plunking and found it an Ok/good shooter..
A chance I would have popped that cat about an inch below his chin.

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