Project M-1330/No.2

Hey Doc,sir
What has my interest piqued is that by having a #3 spindle ( alibi a somewhat rarer threaded one ) opens up alot of work holding possibilities ! You could use the same collet system that was mentioned in the other thread. I bet you could even use the same nose piece that you have. Opens you up to turn hex and square stock with ease. Your machine just got alot more usable in my mind. You could have a collet system that can handle 1 1/2 in rd stock, whith a chuck you can do 2 inch rounds with ease. Not through the head stock but at least you can get a good section in the chuck and into the area of the spindle where the collet sits.
I just could not quite get my head around the collet set up that you where showing.. So, please correct me if I err, so you put you B&S collet in what amounts to a sleeve and then slide it into the spindle and screw on the nose piece ? Just asking.
Also how goes the current repair/cleanup ?
Stay safe
Calvin B

Shipboard compatibility, maybe. But then, I kind of doubt anyone installed a turret lathe aboard a ship.

Doc, the first ship I was stationed on (USS Frontier AD-25) had 2 machine shops and a foundry. The "heavy" shop had not only a Gisholt #5 turret lathe but also a VTl (memory not clear on brand).

Mr.Rypauf, Sir
A friend of mine was on a sub tender and the manufacturing capabilities of that ship was amazing. I think that only thing that limited it was it's ability to carry supplies.
Heck even my lowly radial drill had time on the water so to speak. It had a U.S.N number painted on it and I tracked it back to a repair barge in Baltimore harbor. Seem the barge was floated along side a ship in need of it's services, kinda a floating machine shop on a barge sort of thing.
Stay safe
Calvin B

calvin b said:

You could use the same collet system that was mentioned in the other thread. I bet you could even use the same nose piece that you have.

Click to expand...

-The screw-on endcap/nose piece is flat on the inside. There's a flat counterbore for the end of the B&S collet, but no taper.

I was looking at the same thing; theoretically, if I could find the proper "pusher tube" and a proper nose cap, yes, I could probably use one of the smaller W&S "push out" collets, either solid or with pads.

I have no idea if those parts even exist, let alone where I might find them. I could make some, with a little difficulty, but really, I'm not sure I'd be gaining much. The B&S ones go up to 1-1/4" already, the vast majority of the products I intend to make are 1" or less.

Opens you up to turn hex and square stock with ease.

Click to expand...

-The B&S collets can be had in those shapes, too. This machine came with seven sizes of hex collets, and one of square.

And in any case, that's not a huge concern for me, as I rarely use hex stock. (In all the years I've been in business, only two products started with hex.)

o you put you B&S collet in what amounts to a sleeve and then slide it into the spindle and screw on the nose piece?

Click to expand...

-Basically, yes. The collets are "sprung open" a bit, and kind of "clip" into the opening in the end of the nose cap. So the procedure seems to be to unscrew the cap, clip a new collet into it, then screw the assembly back in place.

The "sleeve" is pushed forward by a tube in the spindle, which is itself actuated by the locking fingers at the left end.

As the sleeve is pushed forward, it wedges the collet closed.

I got two such sleeves- pusher tubes, pusher sleeves, whatever- with the machine. One appears factory and hardened, and in good shape, the other appears to have been shop-made, and has quite a bit of wear-and-tear.

I don't know why somebody would have made a replacement- it's identical to the original, so it's not like they made an adapter or something.

And, near as I can tell, that 'pusher' tube is the same one that Brown & Sharpe themselves used on the screw machines that take those 22SC collets. There's several used ones for sale on eBay- I haven't bought one to check, but they appear identical.

Which makes me wonder of there isn't a source for new replacements out there.

Also how goes the current repair/cleanup?

Click to expand...

-Haven't even touched it in several days. I have customers and other duties to attend to.

Hoping to do a little to it this weekend, even if it's just get that hole bored out for the repair sleeve, but at the moment, I have paying jobs set up in each of the three mills right now. I'll get back to it as soon as I can, but I gotta pay bills, too.

Doc.

Question for the group at large: Where's the best place, or any place, really, to get W&S tooling?

I have, of course, checked eBay, and picked up a few parts from Small Tools- though on that latter, I haven't yet inquired about anything other than what they had on eBay. Their site doesn't show tooling beyond a few drill chucks and collets, and I still can't access the Gahr Machine site.

And I'm not overly familiar with many other dealers or distributors. Can anyone recommend a place that might have a selection of accessories?

I'd like, specifically, but not limited to: a releasing tap holder in 3/4" or 1" shank, a slide tool with a 1" shank (knob-and-dial or fast-acting, or both) a W&S recessing tool with a 1" shank (I have one in 3/4") a micrometer-adjustable knee tool, a knurling tool with a 1" plus max capacity, a 1" capacity Geometric or other common-brand die head, and the original (or similar style) 4-way ratchet-index toolpost, with the direct-mount base that will fit my No.2 cross slide. (4" wide 2-slot cross-slide.)

Doc.

Hey Doc, Sir
Gahr is small tools.. Hey I can helps you out with a knee tool. Just pm me.
As fur dieheads.. Stick with geomtric or their clones ( rubometric is a very well made clone, made in Germany, parts are interchangeable ). Try for a 3/4 in geo as it will give you the most capabilities but the 9/16 ones are quite serviceable to.. chasers are still in production and can be had.
Hey if I was you I'd just email Bill at small tools with your list and see what he comes up with. I know he's got the K-style bushings you will need for the self releasing tap holder.
Other wise ebay is your store.
Stay safe
Calvin B