Two W&S no5’s inbound

ClappedOutBport · Jul 6, 2022

Might have been easier if I got your long chain back to you. Whoops.

FJsapper · Jul 6, 2022

Ox said:
Boy - there was sweatin' goin' on there!

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Actually wasn’t too bad! My slabs are a little off kilter from one another so overcoming the slight grade changes was really the only struggle.

FJsapper · Jul 6, 2022

ClappedOutBport said:
Might have been easier if I got your long chain back to you. Whoops.

With that machine menagerie you’ve got you need all the help you can get

DDoug · Jul 7, 2022

Where's the bar feeder stand for the extreme left end ?
it appears that's missing, and the stock tube that swings on a pivot
that's on the top of the stand.

FJsapper · Jul 7, 2022

DDoug said:
Where's the bar feeder stand for the extreme left end ?
it appears that's missing, and the stock tube that swings on a pivot
that's on the top of the stand.

I have the stand it’s just not attached at the moment. From my research I think I am actually missing several pieces, I marked them on this diagram. Not sure how much of a show stopper this will be.

DDoug · Jul 7, 2022

Uhm yeah, they are kinda important.
Stock tube could be made from pipe, but the left stand with the eye will be harder to make.
Copy the right stand (28) fabricate the same, and change the top.

FJsapper · Jul 7, 2022

DDoug said:
Uhm yeah, they are kinda important.
Stock tube could be made from pipe, but the left stand with the eye will be harder to make.
Copy the right stand (28) fabricate the same, and change the top.

So does the stock tube rotate with the bar that’s being fed or does it just enclose the spinning end? Looks like the chuck (14) clamps the bar, the sled it’s on pulls the stock tube forward with the work enclosed, when you want a new bar you rotate the stock tube out and slide the new bar in? Many of the ones I’ve seen for sale appear to be missing the stock tube for what it’s worth

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I’ve tried to find a video of a W&S hydraulic bar feed in operation but came up empty handed.

FJsapper · Jul 7, 2022

Here is the haul of tooling I ended up with. A few different machine sizes represented. The tool post single point threading attachment is pictured as well.

john.k · Jul 7, 2022

Bar feed tube generally is clamped when the machine is running.......seems that yours grabs the bar in the space behind the machine and feeds hydraulically......it also seems the bar tube can be end fed,or side fed by swinging aside.....an end feed will require a lot of space with 20ft bars......normally ,you store a few hours worth of bars on the racks below the tube .

ClappedOutBport · Jul 7, 2022

FJsapper said:
With that machine menagerie you’ve got you need all the help you can get

Lol. Says the man who outweighed them all with one single lathe! Then he doubled it in the same go!

DDoug · Jul 8, 2022

FJsapper said:
So does the stock tube rotate with the bar that’s being fed or does it just enclose the spinning end? Looks like the chuck (14) clamps the bar, the sled it’s on pulls the stock tube forward with the work enclosed, when you want a new bar you rotate the stock tube out and slide the new bar in? Many of the ones I’ve seen for sale appear to be missing the stock tube for what it’s worth .

I’ve tried to find a video of a W&S hydraulic bar feed in operation but came up empty handed.

The stock tube is stationary, only swings when you undoo the clamp to load new bars, but it mainly swings the front out so you can change the feed fingers.

michiganbuck · Jul 8, 2022

Likely you will find that sideways and vertical settings W&S are lot harder to operate that one setting on the floor. Gishollts are the same. you have to be really tall just to reach the hand wheels.

spaeth · Jul 8, 2022

FJsapper, I found an old W&S Practical Information, Standard Tool Catalog. I have no need for it and I'd like to send it to a guy that does. It has a lot of pictures of tooling, different models including #5's, with a bar feeder and some threading info. If you are interested send me a private message.

Trip dog · Jul 21, 2022

FJsapper said:
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Found a photo of the lead-on screws from an archived online auction. Looks like there were half nut sections that went along with these as well. I would certainly be interested if somebody has some of these just lying around :-)

These pictures were from my (company’s) last turret lathe to leave the factory. Good luck with your purchase, looking forward to your progress!

FJsapper · Jul 21, 2022

Trip dog said:
These pictures were from my (company’s) last turret lathe to leave the factory. Good luck with your purchase, looking forward to your progress!

That’s very cool! One of the most well tooled examples of a W&S no5 on the internet. I have probably looked at every single historic listing there is. I wonder who bought it…really lucky fella.

I am dealing with some major housing projects right now. Roof, basement, electrical, crawl space, patio….

I did pick up a 3k engine lift to assist with a few odd jobs.

FJsapper · Aug 8, 2022

Okay I’m getting close to spending money on power. Before I do….is it even remotely possible to find two dual speed 5/10hp motors for these beasts in 240v flavor? A RPC that can drive a 20hp motor looks to spec close to 125a at the breaker. Not a show stopper…but id really like to keep it under 100a so I don’t need to re-wire 1/2 my house.

Is there some way to turbo charge a RPC with extra capacitors or something to minimize the starting current? Or is there no way around that whole upsizing of the breaker for surge current thing? Im about as good of an electrician as I am a machinist

but money still looks green so cut me some slack okay?!

FJsapper · Aug 8, 2022

Oh uhhh completely unrelated but I fell into this DSG 17t w/ relieving attachment, t/a, LSR, steady, and follow for a song. Has a 3” thru hole so that’s kind of cool in my book. A plain spindle bearing but I guess they considered that a benefit in some circles for a while…I’ll have it in hand on weds hopefully.

Ox · Aug 8, 2022

FJsapper said:
Okay I’m getting close to spending money on power. Before I do….is it even remotely possible to find two dual speed 5/10hp motors for these beasts in 240v flavor? A RPC that can drive a 20hp motor looks to spec close to 125a at the breaker. Not a show stopper…but id really like to keep it under 100a so I don’t need to re-wire 1/2 my house.

Is there some way to turbo charge a RPC with extra capacitors or something to minimize the starting current? Or is there no way around that whole upsizing of the breaker for surge current thing? Im about as good of an electrician as I am a machinist but money still looks green so cut me some slack okay?!

I don't understand "240V flavor".
???

Doo you mean "single phase" as opposed to 3phase, so's not to need a convertor?

If so, the convertor only draws heavy at start-up, and you wouldn't have anything else running at that time, so it shouldn't be a real issue. As long as the dryer, the hot water heater, and the A/C are all pulling down the buss at that same time, it shouldn't be a problem.

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Ox

FJsapper · Aug 8, 2022

Ox said:
I don't understand "240V flavor".
???

Doo you mean "single phase" as opposed to 3phase, so's not to need a convertor?

If so, the convertor only draws heavy at start-up, and you wouldn't have anything else running at that time, so it shouldn't be a real issue. As long as the dryer, the hot water heater, and the A/C are all pulling down the buss at that same time, it shouldn't be a problem.

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Think Snow Eh!
Ox

I’ve read posts in other threads (one from John Oder) that 2-speed motors are often in 440v 3ph range vs 240v 3ph.

The shit part about my house is it’s a 1938 build so still 100a service. I’ll have to get another 100a brought in, which is an easy ask, but will mean a new panel for me.

Ox · Aug 8, 2022

A) 240 or 440 doesn't have anything to doo with your current service.
That is just the addition of a transformer, and does not require much power loss.

B) Even if you get a new residential service, it will still only be 240V.
Nothing changes there...

C) Get a 200A fusible disconnect to put in your garage.
make a run to your old box with warr able to carry 100A.
Run a mast up, and have your hydro unhook your old box, and hook up the new one.

D) Or put a new 200A box closer to the old one, and still run a new mast up and have that hooked up.

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Ox

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