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FJsapper

Aluminum
Joined
Nov 18, 2020
Location
Sterling Heights, MI
Profoundly expensive machine to have bought and not used for decades! Do you have enough power to run these?
Yes, and no. I’ll be running them off a 40hp RPC. I’ll need to get a 125amp sub panel run into the garage at some point. I only moved in 6 weeks ago so I have a lot of other irons in the fire.

Current obstacle is my house is only on 100amp service so I’ll need to get that upgraded before I can do anything.

One machine was re-wound for 230v at some point and the bar feeder machine is still on 460v. I have a 31kva step up transformer that came with the machine that I THINK will work when fed with the RPC?

I have a lot to figure out still.
 

FJsapper

Aluminum
Joined
Nov 18, 2020
Location
Sterling Heights, MI
what crud? are you kidding, those are freakin' clean, lol! :D
Yeah I know right??! These both came from oil country in Texas where they were apparently “too small” to do anyone good so they sat. I paid more to ship and crane-off than I paid for the machines….

I think the bar feeder machine may be from 1979. Not sure when W&S stopped production but I’d guess it wasn’t too much after that?

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FJsapper

Aluminum
Joined
Nov 18, 2020
Location
Sterling Heights, MI
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So how does one determine what pitches can be cut with the lead on threading attachment? The control box has RH - Neutral - LH for settings. Does one use the ram feed settings to change pitches? Would I just calculate the feed settings into the 8tpi screw that’s on there to figure out the thread pitch?

I have seen auction photos online where some machines had a pile of the acme lead-on screws as part of the tooling. I presume in the olden days you would just swap in a new lead screw in the right pitch for the given tap/die you are running.
 

Ox

Diamond
Joined
Aug 27, 2002
Location
West Unity, Ohio
Are you wanting to single point thread with this?

If you are using a tap or a die head, I wouldn't think that you would need a lead screw for threading.
( I never did)

I think that I had some of those screws that you are talking about put up on here some time ago to ask what they were for? I doubt they fit a #5, but who knows?


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Ox
 

john.k

Diamond
Joined
Dec 21, 2012
Location
Brisbane Qld Australia
My small capstan has a short segment of 1/4" pitch leadscrew that can slide along the keyed feed rod for the capstan......the segment is fixed by a number of socket screws .....the feed gearbox has four speeds which in effect give four pitches to the saddle when a half nut lever is engaged.........at a guess,pitches are 8/12/16/24 or something like that......Obviously not up to lathe selection ,but better than nothing..........with a capstan/turret ,the choice is a few large robust feed gears ,or many smaller ones ,like a lathe.....the smaller ones dont last .
 
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FJsapper

Aluminum
Joined
Nov 18, 2020
Location
Sterling Heights, MI
Are you wanting to single point thread with this?

If you are using a tap or a die head, I wouldn't think that you would need a lead screw for threading.
( I never did)

I think that I had some of those screws that you are talking about put up on here some time ago to ask what they were for? I doubt they fit a #5, but who knows?


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Think Snow Eh!
Ox

I am planning to use a collapsing tap for some non-critical threads and also considering single pointing on some more critical areas. Not sure what to expect for accuracy and will ultimately decide once I run a few parts.

I’ll pull this lead screw off when I clean out the ram and take some measurements. It would be nice to have the capability and at the very least document it in case someone else could benefit.

I was able to find the single point threading slide that W&S made which attaches to the square tool post. Ended up being like $40 off eBay so I figured it was worth experimenting with at least. The W&S “Tools” book only classified the attachment for saddle machines but my eyeballs confirm it will fit. I’ll have to throw some pictures up of it when I get home.

Speaking of pictures, I just got done traveling to Rock Island for work. My god, I wish I were allowed to take some photos in there, some real beautiful machine tools! Had some nice Monarchs and an American still in service, all the bells and whistles.
 

john.k

Diamond
Joined
Dec 21, 2012
Location
Brisbane Qld Australia
Ive worked lots of capstans and turrets........and never seen anything like the two you got there...they must have cost a fortune new .....and judging by the paint ,never done a days work.
 

FJsapper

Aluminum
Joined
Nov 18, 2020
Location
Sterling Heights, MI
Ive worked lots of capstans and turrets........and never seen anything like the two you got there...they must have cost a fortune new .....and judging by the paint ,never done a days work.
I think they both got a really good cleanup about 30 years ago when somebody finally cashed them in for CNC and have languished ever since. The green machine did at least a little work judging by the bed scoring but not much. The gray machine id say is the nicer of the two and has very little real use.

If my day job ever lets up I’ll get these babys apart for a little cleaning and measuring.

It just occurred to me that after decades of sitting the hoses might be rotted out. Anybody run into that before? Should I address that as pm?
 

FJsapper

Aluminum
Joined
Nov 18, 2020
Location
Sterling Heights, MI
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Found a photo of the lead-on screws from an archived online auction. Looks like there were half nut sections that went along with these as well. I would certainly be interested if somebody has some of these just lying around :-)
 

john.k

Diamond
Joined
Dec 21, 2012
Location
Brisbane Qld Australia
If its been under cover ,the hoses will be OK.....Seems you have at least one leadscrew nut setup on the machine ......I always go back to where the machines came from when I know whats what ,and see if I can find anything that goes with the machine..
 

eKretz

Diamond; Mod Squad
Joined
Mar 27, 2005
Location
Northwest Indiana, USA
We had a #5 where I served my apprenticeship, it was a heck of a nice machine to run, and a hoss. I only got to run it a couple handfuls of times, it was mainly always run by the same guys (operators) on simple repetitive jobs - which I never got put on. Nice looking machines, great score.
 








 
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