Schaublin 150 completely disassembled!

Grazio87 · Jan 17, 2017

"This is exceptionally unfortunate.

I do not think that you have been particularly honest with the Forum"

why you say that?

jCandlish · Jan 17, 2017

Grazio87 said:
why you say that?

Your posts, and indeed the title of your thread, lead me to believe that you received a complete, yet dissembled 150.

Then as the thread progressed you gave the impression that the machine you received was incomplete.

Then it became apparent that the machine was fire damaged.

Now it appears that the machine is incomplete because you have been selling off various parts.

It just keeps getting worse, and you are playing a role in it.

Grazio87 · Jan 17, 2017

I bought the lathe in conditions that I posted, the only thing I could sell up to now is the feed motor

the only electic thing is the main motor,no other electric part were in the lathe,and looking at the motor cable I saw that the sheath of the wires is burned, then your theory of fire seems to be right.

I'm not a liar, why would I lie? It would not make sense

Monarchist · Jan 17, 2017

Milacron said:
LOL...that is the humor of this...and horror....someone mucking about with possibly the finest manual lathe ever made, like it's a junked South Bend flat belt lathe...

Ah, nooo..

As if it were a junked, fire-damaged, melted ZAMACK, unmentionable-to-f*****g-begin-with @las 6" X 18", and in a wine cellar, corn-bin, or hay barn with no 'lectricity, yet.

Some folks could take an ignorant rubber wheel-cover mallet, somehow manage to f**k-up the crack of dawn, then claim entitlement to a free shrink for therapy to repair hurt feelings.

Go figure.

Bill

Grazio87 · Jan 17, 2017

.................... :nutter:

Monarchist · Jan 17, 2017

Grazio87 said:
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No foul.

Gratified to see you finally found a task you could HANDLE well.

Now stick with it and spare whatever is left of the Schaublin.

Please.

Paolo_MD · Jan 17, 2017

Grazio87 said:
I bought the lathe in conditions that I posted, the only thing I could sell up to now is the feed motor

the only electic thing is the main motor,no other electric part were in the lathe,and looking at the motor cable I saw that the sheath of the wires is burned, then your theory of fire seems to be right.

I'm not a liar, why would I lie? It would not make sense

I try to follow the Latin proverb "Omnia munda mundis" (everything appears clean to whom who is clean), therefore I try not to suspect any dishonesty.
However, I cannot hide some frustration. I completely agree with jCandlish that the title was misleading and I could attribute this to poor choice of words from your side.
However, it sounds rather suspicious that it was obvious to all of us that the lathe was in a fire by just looking at one picture and you, who have the lathe under your nose, didn't realize it.
Again, I suspect that you won't be very successful in getting a lot of money by selling individual components. Coming back to the Ferrari analogy, would you trust buying a crankshaft or a few connecting rods for a Testarossa from the local bicycle shop? If you do, how much would you pay, not knowing if they're still usable?

Paolo

PS I think I'll avoid coming back to this thread, since it's just a waste of time and I don't learn anything useful.

Grazio87 · Jan 17, 2017

I just wanted to learn something asking for advice, I found a lathe in painful conditions and thought they deserved to be put into operation, although not with factory tolerances, unfortunately the majority of the pieces were not in the lathe, no wiring, no tailstock and if you look at the picture of when I got it you'll notice that the tool carrier slide had been replaced with a poor quality I wonder what lathe.
Without fundamental pieces, I realized that it would not be possible to return it in good condition, then I started to notice signs of tampering from all sides, when I took the lathe there was not even the counter spindle head and other parts already removed.

In all this, what's absurd in what I did, given the initial conditions? I've only been trying to figure out how far it was tampered with, wondering (like you) how we can treat so bad a lathe of this kind, because apart from the fire, there are signs of hammer in many places (as in the case of chuck).

I'm just trying to figure it out, why you continue to attack me? you don't have anything else to do? you don't know who let off steam?

Would be a great chance to see how it is made the schaublin in every part, and learning, and at the very least avoid being scrapped.

But since I get just polemics and speeches without any help on a lathe, which was a lathe, I thank the few supporters, and advise others to turn off their machines, and go for a walk to calm down.

PS:

@jcandlish: I think you're someone very knowledgeable and precise, I'm sorry you won't teach me ... nobody is born learned!

@monarchist: your comments in this post are useful as a fork to eat the soup

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thanks and good bye.

trevj · Jan 18, 2017

A fork gets the good solid bits out of the soup as well as any tool can.

I'll admit to being heathen enough to pick up the bowl and slurp, if I think it's worth the effort .

Millions of folks get by with a couple pointy sticks to eat their soup with too.

I am inclined to think that you have not been altogether forthright as well.

Wiring being burnt, is a minor issue. It takes a few lengths of wire (cheaply got, too!) and a bit of common sense, and you can re-wire about any lathe.

Getting it to factory specs is the whole POINT of having a Schaublin 150, much like owning a real Ferrari instead of a crappy body kit scabbed upon a almost sports car, making it look like one.
That said, I knew of one guy that built a crappy Ferrari out of wrecks, but it looked and sounded like it was held together with tape and chewing gum, and nobody that knew him, thought any better of him for his half-assed job.

This whole gig sounds more like a train wreck with each post that adds further information.

Damned shame. That lathe is worth putting into the hands of someone at least that is able to adequately assess it and repair it if it is in any shape to be repaired.

To use the Ferrari analogy, I would suggest that at least you can go buy a new Ferrari if you are so inclined. They are not making more Sch. 150's.

Cheers
Trev

Monarchist · Jan 18, 2017

Grazio87 said:
I just wanted to learn something asking for advice, I found a lathe in painful conditions and thought they deserved to be put into operation, although not with factory tolerances, unfortunately the majority of the pieces were not in the lathe, no wiring, no tailstock and if you look at the picture of when I got it you'll notice that the tool carrier slide had been replaced with a poor quality I wonder what lathe.
Without fundamental pieces, I realized that it would not be possible to return it in good condition, then I started to notice signs of tampering from all sides, when I took the lathe there was not even the counter spindle head and other parts already removed.

In all this, what's absurd in what I did, given the initial conditions? I've only been trying to figure out how far it was tampered with, wondering (like you) how we can treat so bad a lathe of this kind, because apart from the fire, there are signs of hammer in many places (as in the case of chuck).

I'm just trying to figure it out, why you continue to attack me? you don't have anything else to do? you don't know who let off steam?

Just suppose... you had instead found a badly wounded but astonishingly lovely and world-famous woman.

Would you have PRESUMED that you, personally, had the ability to restore her to good health, damaged and missing limbs notwithstanding?

Just because "she deserved that" and YOU happened to be nearby and WANTED it to happen would not have made you the one capable of making it so. Most CERTAINLY not by removing more 'limbs' or opening her skull to see what her insides might look like.

Even the most experienced of surgeons has as a maxim "First, do no harm".

Take that with you for next time if you learn nothing else.

BTW: All the Schaublin 150's as ever will be are already here, and gradually vanishing.

Beautiful women, thankfully, ARE still being made every hour of every day.

I've made MY choice. No Schaublin here, nor planned.

Better men than I may manage BOTH, and I can appreciate that.

Best you trifle with NEITHER, though.

Bill

Spud · Jan 22, 2017

jCandlish said:
Look at the picture. The gouge marks from prying the spindle off are fresh. There is a single oil stain witness mark at the parting boundary. It surely looks like it is the first time the spindle face was taken loose.

Whatever.

How many hours and what facilities does it take to rebuild a 150? I'd say it takes an experienced Monteur in a well equipped shop about 500 hours for a rebuild. Maybe Ole will volunteer how much time he has in his 135 rebuild? I'm ~200 hours into my 125 rebuild and I'm just about starting to put it back together.

OP might want to get in touch with Nick Mueller .

Peter from Holland · May 4, 2017

First time I noticed this post
I really do not know why everybody is so upset about the OP wanting to convert this machiner to CNC
The thing is worthless No rebuilder in his right mind is going to use any of the parts from this machine
If it was in a fire good chances are the heatthread of the components is all over You cannot thrust any of these parts So its only good for other people with a clapped out 150 who need a non critical part like a handwheel or perhaps a gear here and there
Also most of the replacement parts for a 150 are still for sale new ITS JUST A BURNED OUT LATHE not the mona lisa
So Grazio87 please inform those who don`t mind how you are progressing

Peter

Grazio87 · Feb 26, 2019

I read Peter's message after so long (almost 2 years), and this convinced me to re-enter the forum after the bad experience with some very rude users that I see with pleasure have been banned.

I still want to make the mod to the lathe, now I have more experience and knowledge, and the project are ready.

So I have so many available parts that I don't need, ask for these.

TNB · Feb 27, 2019

Welcome back !

How about a few pictures of the machine as it is now ?
That surely would bring some interest here.

Hodge · Feb 27, 2019

Grazio87 said:
I read Peter's message after so long (almost 2 years), and this convinced me to re-enter the forum after the bad experience with some very rude users that I see with pleasure have been banned.

Hi Grazio, Welcome back. You may not realize but you're probably the first to get the last word in on Bill aka thermite/monachrist.
Hodge

Paolo_MD · Feb 27, 2019

Hodge said:
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Hi Grazio, Welcome back. You may not realize but you're probably the first to get the last word in on Bill aka thermite/monachrist.
Hodge

As far as I can see, Bill is still a member as "thermite".
I know that, at the beginning of the year he and another member have been suspended for a month for a dogfight. But the suspension should be over and be prepared to see him back.

Paolo

Hodge · Feb 27, 2019

Paolo_MD said:
As far as I can see, Bill is still a member as "thermite".
I know that, at the beginning of the year he and another member have been suspended for a month for a dogfight. But the suspension should be over and be prepared to see him back.

Paolo

Actually i was just observing that he hadn't responded. I kinda like Bill and suspect he is around.

Grazio87 · Feb 27, 2019

TNB said:
Welcome back !

How about a few pictures of the machine as it is now ?
That surely would bring some interest here.

Hello TNB, how are you?

unfortunately I did not have time for mod the lathe, also every part that I should buy for it costs a lot, so it remained stationary.
But now I have in mind how to change it and then I want to restart the mod.

In the next few days I will unmount parts of which I do not need, and I take photos to put them on the forum.