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Dan B

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Funny you say that as I did look into it but to be honest the guys I spoke to at Autodesk where completely useless and that along with the fact Autodesk doesn't have a good reputation for support or honoring contracts was enough to make me look no further into it.
That's too bad. Our experience is the opposite. We are switching from WorkNC to PowerMill and we have found the support to be very good. I don't let the haters here get in my head. We are finding the API to be a game changer over WorkNC.
 

5 axis Fidia guy

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Funny you say that as I did look into it but to be honest the guys I spoke to at Autodesk where completely useless and that along with the fact Autodesk doesn't have a good reputation for support or honoring contracts was enough to make me look no further into it.
That's a shame, sounds like you need a better reseller. Powermill is up there with Hypermill as far as capabilities. You just have to get over the Autodesk ownership and subscription cost. There is nothing I cannot do with Powermill in the moldmaking trade.
 

jhov

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Funny you say that as I did look into it but to be honest the guys I spoke to at Autodesk where completely useless and that along with the fact Autodesk doesn't have a good reputation for support or honoring contracts was enough to make me look no further into it.
Wise move. There are three types of people, those who have been burned by autodesk, those who have learned from others being burned by autodesk, and those who will. You don't even have to have ever been an autodesk customer to be burned by them either, which is an impressive feat.
 

BarnFab

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That's too bad. Our experience is the opposite. We are switching from WorkNC to PowerMill and we have found the support to be very good. I don't let the haters here get in my head. We are finding the API to be a game changer over WorkNC.
Good to hear its working for you
 

BarnFab

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That's a shame, sounds like you need a better reseller. Powermill is up there with Hypermill as far as capabilities. You just have to get over the Autodesk ownership and subscription cost. There is nothing I cannot do with Powermill in the moldmaking trade.
If the game was to embarrass people I could post the Autodesk emails but its not so I guess as you say if I could get over Autodesk ownership, subscription costs and capabilities it would be a great way to waste money, get annoyed and get lied to constantly about what I was getting.
 

BarnFab

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Wise move. There are three types of people, those who have been burned by autodesk, those who have learned from others being burned by autodesk, and those who will. You don't even have to have ever been an autodesk customer to be burned by them either, which is an impressive feat.
Yeah guess I am in group 2 :)
 

jhov

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What's the story on that?
Autodesk has a history of buying out competing companies and killing their products, leaving the customers of those companies hanging in the wind. My personal experience was with the T splines plugin for Rhino, but they've done the same to a number of other companies and product lines in the CAD/CAM industry.
 

Dan B

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I had a feeling you were talking about T splines. I had it too, and it was still offered as a Rhino plug-in until Autodesk management changed. Carl Baas, the former CEO when Autodesk acquired T splines, was a fan of Rhino. He assured us that they would not kill it as a plug-in. But then he was replaced and the next CEO wasn't on the same page. Same thing happened with VSR. But I'm not worried about that being a PowerMill user. They're unlikely to kill off their own product.
 

jhov

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I had a feeling you were talking about T splines. I had it too, and it was still offered as a Rhino plug-in until Autodesk management changed. Carl Baas, the former CEO when Autodesk acquired T splines, was a fan of Rhino. He assured us that they would not kill it as a plug-in. But then he was replaced and the next CEO wasn't on the same page. Same thing happened with VSR. But I'm not worried about that being a PowerMill user. They're unlikely to kill off their own product.
No, you're safe so long as you bend the knee and pay forever regardless of changes made to the terms as it pleases them to support their business of stagnating development in the industry by attempting to monopolize it.
 
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5 axis Fidia guy

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No, you're safe so long as you bend the knee and pay forever regardless of changes made to the terms as it pleases them to support their business of stagnating development in the industry by attempting to monopolize it.
I hardly see any stagnating in Powermill development, It can compete with the best of them, and outperform most. Those that disagree, don't know the software very well.
 

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I hardly see any stagnating in Powermill development, It can compete with the best of them, and outperform most. Those that disagree, don't know the software very well.
Powermill appears to be great software. But, at a previous employer, we were burned bad by Autodesk over a fairly large FeatureCAM purchase. The experience was so awful, that I would never consider Powermill for a second. If any company can fuck it up - autodesk will.
 
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jhov

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I hardly see any stagnating in Powermill development, It can compete with the best of them, and outperform most. Those that disagree, don't know the software very well.
The stagnation I'm talking about occurs when small businesses, the ones who take risks to make something new or unique to try to make it big, get bought out and shut down so that huge monopolies can milk every product for all they're worth while investing as little as possible into researching risky new features and technologies. We'll never know what impact that stagnation has on us as end users because we can't imagine the features and technologies that were never developed.
 

Dan B

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We'll never know what impact that stagnation has on us as end users because we can't imagine the features and technologies that were never developed.
That's a strange argument. Couldn't you say the same thing about a lot of other "events"? How could our world have changed it millions weren't killed in the world wars? How about the potential snuffed out by abortion? What if you turned left at the fork in the road instead of right? I can't see hating a company for what doesn't exist. That makes no sense to me.
 

jhov

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That's a strange argument. Couldn't you say the same thing about a lot of other "events"? How could our world have changed it millions weren't killed in the world wars? How about the potential snuffed out by abortion? What if you turned left at the fork in the road instead of right? I can't see hating a company for what doesn't exist. That makes no sense to me.
That's a strange reply. So if I did say the same thing about other "events" would you then still be supportive of a company that supported and enabled said "events"?
 








 
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