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mhajicek

Titanium
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May 11, 2017
Location
Minneapolis, MN, USA
That's the answer. You choose MC only because you know it for long time and most probably learned it in trade school or college.
Yes, like I first said, It's popular, so it's what people know, and since it's what people know, it's what's popular. It's inertia, very similar to what keeps Microsoft Windows as the most popular operating system. There's a high cost to exploring options, which most of us can't afford.
 

OVodov

Aluminum
Joined
Sep 10, 2019
Vicious circle. People choose MC because it’s popular and it’s popular because people choose it.
Is it good enough? Yes.
Is it the best? No.
Many others are better.

I believe Fusion360 will break this circle. Young machinist and hobbyist choose it. It’s simpler and cheaper and can do most of things that MC does.
 

escapethewrmhole

Aluminum
Joined
Dec 10, 2017
I’ve never touched EDM,
But MasterCam lathe is a nightmare
and MasterCam mill is mediocre overpriced
I would argue mcam lathe is one of the best. It’s very fast and easy. Granted I’ve only used sprutcam, mcam, fusion, hsmworks, and esprit.

id say esprit is a close second only because it takes longer to get to posting code.
 

OVodov

Aluminum
Joined
Sep 10, 2019
I would argue mcam lathe is one of the best. It’s very fast and easy. Granted I’ve only used sprutcam, mcam, fusion, hsmworks, and esprit.

id say esprit is a close second only because it takes longer to get to posting code.
So why all shops who has majority in lathe are switching from MC to Esprit? I know at least 3 shops in my area. One of them is pretty big aerospace company working close to SpaceX.

I played with F360 lathe, it’s pretty simple, easy to learn.
 
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goooose

Hot Rolled
Joined
Nov 14, 2007
Location
canada
You started this thread not wanting to know why its popular, only wanting to shit on the software and talk up some other product. You don't care about the business decisions behind their market share, nor the business decisions of the buyers for wanting it in their shops.

If you're gonna shit on Mastercam, do it right and go full John Banquer.


...and we'll all still carry on using Mastercam. The 2nd best CAM software lol
 

OVodov

Aluminum
Joined
Sep 10, 2019
You started this thread not wanting to know why its popular, only wanting to shit on the software and talk up some other product. You don't care about the business decisions behind their market share, nor the business decisions of the buyers for wanting it in their shops.

If you're gonna shit on Mastercam, do it right and go full John Banquer.


...and we'll all still carry on using Mastercam. The 2nd best CAM software lol
I didn't start this topic to shit on MC.
I just want to understand the secret of its popularity. What makes people to buy particularity this exact software.
When I said it only because colleges got it for free in another topic - you replied that it's not true.

Mhajicek - earlier mentioned he purchased it because people know it. Which proves the whole idea of colleges idea.

Look at the diagram below. I'm not gonna compare MC to NX they both play in other fields, but is really MC 2 or 3 times better than EDGECAM or HSM Express or any other one?
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Areo Defense

Aluminum
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MC is very good at marketing and, like everyone else, they add enhancements as often as possible. However, the latter seems to be commonly overshadowed by serious bugs and/or flaws but that doesn't stop the MC Juggernaut.
 

Mtndew

Diamond
Joined
Jun 7, 2012
Location
Michigan
but is really MC 2 or 3 times better than EDGECAM or HSM Express or any other one?
I think that's where you're misleading yourself. More popular by 2-3x doesn't mean it's 2-3x better.
I would wager that they have better support (official and unofficial) and better/cheaper training than any of the other systems. And it's pretty widespread on YouTube if you run into a snag you can usually find a video on your issue.
 

OVodov

Aluminum
Joined
Sep 10, 2019
I think that's where you're misleading yourself. More popular by 2-3x doesn't mean it's 2-3x better.
I would wager that they have better support (official and unofficial) and better/cheaper training than any of the other systems. And it's pretty widespread on YouTube if you run into a snag you can usually find a video on your issue.
That's what I meant. Popularity of MC based on training the most. Trade schools and colleges.
I would argue about YouTube, yes MC has the biggest contest, but others are getting close.
SolidCam has channel - SolidCam Professor,
F360 - tons of video made by NYC CNC and many other hobbyists.
I didn't check for HSM Express for example but believe I could find some training video.

2-3 times better - it was sarcasm.
 
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OVodov

Aluminum
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Sep 10, 2019
Would be nice to find CimData reports for last 10 years and see how CAM software market changes all over these years.
 

empower

Titanium
Joined
Sep 8, 2018
I could get a one month trial, which isn't nearly long enough to learn the software to the level needed to compare, especially when I'm spending most of my time cranking out work on the system I already know, because I'm in a hurry.
HLE is free without time limit, you just cant post. same with NX student edition.
 

JSL_MFG

Aluminum
Joined
Apr 24, 2022
Not sure why post processors and overall customer support aren't being talked about.

F360 is a MESS when it comes to customer support and post-processor reliability. I used it for a year, and I had numerous jobs that ended up not working out. Every time I tried to get support from AD or my reseller, they told me to "post on the forum" or "sorry, Fusion can't do that at this time. Maybe one day it'll be possible." If I call SolidCam tech support, a guy will remote into my PC and step by step help me program it. When you pay for good software, you get better support.

MC is okay, but they aren't as helpful or responsive as other CAM packages like Esprit, Solidcam, NX, etc.
 

empower

Titanium
Joined
Sep 8, 2018
Not sure why post processors and overall customer support aren't being talked about.

F360 is a MESS when it comes to customer support and post-processor reliability. I used it for a year, and I had numerous jobs that ended up not working out. Every time I tried to get support from AD or my reseller, they told me to "post on the forum" or "sorry, Fusion can't do that at this time. Maybe one day it'll be possible." If I call SolidCam tech support, a guy will remote into my PC and step by step help me program it. When you pay for good software, you get better support.

MC is okay, but they aren't as helpful or responsive as other CAM packages like Esprit, Solidcam, NX, etc.
nice thing about fusion posts is that they're stupid simple to modify to your liking.
 

bryan_machine

Diamond
Joined
Jun 16, 2006
Location
Near Seattle
OK, some have pointed out key *business level* issues - training, safety, risk.
Yes, people can learn new CAM systems (and to some extent should), but WHAT IS THE RETURN????

So your new staffer wants to use WeirdCAM, so buy them WeirdCAM. But nobody else in the shop knows how to use it, and new staffer took months to really learn it - which you paid for (or they paid for - somebody paid.) How long to earn that back? (empower *already knowing* several CAM systems will be an advantage going forward, but what did it cost empower to do that?)

What if instead you or your staff developed elite skills using libraries, tables, macros, fixture modeling, post refinement, etc., for the tool already in use? I know for solidcam (which is NOT mastercam) these things can have a big return.

Would your resource (time, money, attention) be better spent adding something like vericut or ncsimula (sp?) to the workflow?

One DOES hear of people buying something like an Integrex or a Multus and then buying CAM specific to that machine.

That chart claims to be *installed* seats - one question is what are their sources??? - could easily be some large users ignore them. There are also likely environments (esp aerospace) where it's part of the "environment" and they aren't allowed, or are very loathe, to change it.

[Decades ago in grad school fellow student told me that for work on a aircraft system, the compiler used to write the control software was frozen, along with other tools. Bug in the compiler? Tough - work around it. By the way there are very real security as well as stability reasons to do this. But point here - how many environments are there where "change the CAM system" makes as much sense as "change the break room fridge from 120volt 1ph to 208volt 3ph".]

That doesn't mean mastercam is wonderful or awful, any more than haas ngc is best or worst - it just means that context matters a very great deal.
 

OVodov

Aluminum
Joined
Sep 10, 2019
OK, some have pointed out key *business level* issues - training, safety, risk.
Yes, people can learn new CAM systems (and to some extent should), but WHAT IS THE RETURN????

So your new staffer wants to use WeirdCAM, so buy them WeirdCAM. But nobody else in the shop knows how to use it, and new staffer took months to really learn it - which you paid for (or they paid for - somebody paid.) How long to earn that back? (empower *already knowing* several CAM systems will be an advantage going forward, but what did it cost empower to do that?)

What if instead you or your staff developed elite skills using libraries, tables, macros, fixture modeling, post refinement, etc., for the tool already in use? I know for solidcam (which is NOT mastercam) these things can have a big return.

Would your resource (time, money, attention) be better spent adding something like vericut or ncsimula (sp?) to the workflow?

One DOES hear of people buying something like an Integrex or a Multus and then buying CAM specific to that machine.

That chart claims to be *installed* seats - one question is what are their sources??? - could easily be some large users ignore them. There are also likely environments (esp aerospace) where it's part of the "environment" and they aren't allowed, or are very loathe, to change it.

[Decades ago in grad school fellow student told me that for work on a aircraft system, the compiler used to write the control software was frozen, along with other tools. Bug in the compiler? Tough - work around it. By the way there are very real security as well as stability reasons to do this. But point here - how many environments are there where "change the CAM system" makes as much sense as "change the break room fridge from 120volt 1ph to 208volt 3ph".]

That doesn't mean mastercam is wonderful or awful, any more than haas ngc is best or worst - it just means that context matters a very great deal.
Pretty good conclusion to this topic.
 

triumph406

Titanium
Joined
Sep 14, 2008
Location
ca
probably one of the reasons Mcam became so popular was the prevalence of cracked versions. I bet most of the people I knew were running cracked Mcam, and to a lessor extent Surfcam.

So people got familiar with Mcam, without the expense.

Not sure how easy it is to crack now. Do know some people who got nailed for using cracked Mcam. (Jesse James was one apparently) Last oplace I worked was running cracked Mcam and UG NX. Somebody got fired, they feared getting turned in so the converted all cracked copies to legit copies at great expense.(10+copies of Mcam and 6+ copies of UG)
 

mhajicek

Titanium
Joined
May 11, 2017
Location
Minneapolis, MN, USA
HLE is free without time limit, you just cant post. same with NX student edition.
HLE of what?

And if I can't post, I can't use it, I can only play with it a little, which is wholly insufficient to learn the software and understand its true capabilities and weaknesses. In order to truly evaluate a software, I would have to do the training courses, get a post hammered out, and then use it as my main software for several months on real jobs.
 








 
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