Atomic Hydrogen

zac4mac said:

Been waiting a day since I found this thread in a Google search...

I bought a GE Atomic Hydrogen Welding Transformer from a friend, a retired aircraft machinist.
I've been trying to find out more info about this beast.
It's in excellent condition, will try to post pix.

I talked to his brother, at his funeral, and he said it sounded like the Second Coming™ when he used it.

I need to know what pressure to run the H2 at.

I'm not a welder, but I am very good at soldering and reasonable at brazing.
This thing seems to work much like a torch, the "flame" is pretty tight and well defined at 12-15 psi on the H2.

It has a "start" pedal, then you vary the flame with the trigger on the hand-piece.

Here's what I have...

http://gallery.me.com/zac4mac/100008

Zack

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Dear Zack
How can I contact you for asking some question,
to be honest I want to make one of such welding equipment and the only useful information on the web are 3 video on youtube, other than this foroum,
so your guidance is critical for me,
[email protected]
I will be so thankful,

hsemover said:

Go to Miller Weldings web page at; www.millerwelds.com Click on Service, then click on Owners manuals, and click on Model #100HVAP. Here you will be able to download and print the entire manual which contains the wiring diagram for the machine. I think a person can take a common stick welding machine and convert it by adding the components to address the few different aspects of this process. I'll be posting some pictures of my machine and it's side components/torch etc. in the near future.

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Dear Sir,
thanks, via this link I could find its catalogue,
but if you can help with some more real pics it will be great,
I want to re build one of such welder ,
[email protected]

hsemover said:

Building a AH welding unit?

I'm not sure how easy it would be to convert a power unit for this purpose. The higher voltage is the catch. 250 to 300 volts is required on the output whereas 30 to 40 volts is standard on any other welding process. Also there is a start stop relay cycle that activates/kills the current and the gas valve which you do not see in any other type of unit. If any of you are going to try to build one I'll be glad to help with info from my unit. Pardon me if I don't respond regularly. I only check in on occasion.

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I want to build atomic hydrogen unit, too,
but I need many info about it,
best tungsten size? tungsten color? welding amp range? is 300v required all welding time?

zac4mac said:

Thanks for the insight.
The transformer is a GE beast, as the nameplate says, model 6WK17A.
I have precious little info, the patent app info from 1946 and some stuff I found at an "alternate" science website.

The guy I got it from had it since the mid-60s, I have no idea how old the unit is.

My garage wiring is a little light for this monster, so I only play with it for short periods.
It pulls close to 50 Amps...

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Can you please re-check the model name? I could not find such a transformer of GE, thanks for your help

zac4mac said:

Heheheh didn't realize that the link I posted was posted on the first page.

Hsemover, went to Miller's site and got the manual for the transformer you have.
Thanks for that, it helps understand my unit. They look very similar.
I wonder if Miller got their design from GE...

Sounds like I have a useful museum piece.
If anyone winds up near Longmont, Colorado and wants to see it, gimme a call.
Seven-Two-Oh Six-Three-Five 0877.

Zack

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Dear Zack
do you have wats app on +1 726350877? I am really attracted about your exprience on hydrogen atomic arc welding, decided to make a device for me,

SinaF, please note the posts you are quoting are 14 years old. it's very unlikely you will get a response.

as to the merits of the process, please note also the poster who used it in industry said all parts were heat treated after.
steel can be dangerously embrittled by hydrogen, and I assume the heat treat was to allow the diffusion of H from the weld,
although I do not know for sure. all in all, I'd say this is a curiosity best left in the dustbin of welding technology.
I am absolutely all for preserving some relics of the process as museum pieces, and the memories of those who used it, but any thought of
actually putting it to practical use is a fools errand. GTAW is so accessible and versatile, there is little if any reason I can think of.

I hate to be that guy, but...

SinaF is from Iran, and he's looking to weld reactive metals? Perhaps not someone we want to aid?

yeah ,probably wants to weld plutonium................still ,went back in the thread,and I almost certainly have some AH welded chain links from PWB Anchor in Melbourne ..(PWB=Pitt Wadell Bennet) .........I always wondered how the joins in the big links were made,the welds look like big oxy welds ,but must be the same strength class a gr 8 chain (800MPa)

cyanidekid said:

SinaF, please note the posts you are quoting are 14 years old. it's very unlikely you will get a response.

as to the merits of the process, please note also the poster who used it in industry said all parts were heat treated after.
steel can be dangerously embrittled by hydrogen, and I assume the heat treat was to allow the diffusion of H from the weld,
although I do not know for sure. all in all, I'd say this is a curiosity best left in the dustbin of welding technology.
I am absolutely all for preserving some relics of the process as museum pieces, and the memories of those who used it, but any thought of
actually putting it to practical use is a fools errand. GTAW is so accessible and versatile, there is little if any reason I can think of.

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Thanks for your reply,
according to many sources I studied till now,in contrast to your suggestion, atomic hydrogen welding yields one of the most malleable welds,
I never faced such a hydrogen embrittlement reprted in any scientific source: journal articles, google books, etc...
but please if you really know emrbittlement will occur, please let me know,

regard to your second claim, GTAW (in better word TIG) needs ground electrical connection, due to this, its HAZ is wide, yet,
but only Atomic Hydrogen Welding and Plasma welding(only micro plasma with pilot arc not all plasmas) don't need ground,
it is why I am trying to re build it for today uses,

Milland said:

I hate to be that guy, but...

SinaF is from Iran, and he's looking to weld reactive metals? Perhaps not someone we want to aid?

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Be polite
any eye that is not blind and any ear that is not deaf know all Iranians are within a revolution against current regime you are afraid of,

what you are saying is similar to any one say all americans want to make atomic bomb against japan to kill all of them

john.k said:

yeah ,probably wants to weld plutonium................still ,went back in the thread,and I almost certainly have some AH welded chain links from PWB Anchor in Melbourne ..(PWB=Pitt Wadell Bennet) .........I always wondered how the joins in the big links were made,the welds look like big oxy welds ,but must be the same strength class a gr 8 chain (800MPa)

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according to my information "only" Americans used plutonium against human,
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thanks for your information,
do you mean AH welds in chains have strength of 800MPa(8000 Kg/cm2) ?
and AHW made high strength welds?

farmersamm said:

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really excellent videos, when I watched 1 month ago I decide to re built AHW

SinaF said:

Be polite
any eye that is not blind and any ear that is not deaf know all Iranians are within a revolution against current regime you are afraid of,

what you are saying is similar to any one say all americans want to make atomic bomb against japan to kill all of them

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I was being polite. I would have used very different phrasing if I intended to not be.

I sincerely hope the sacrifices of the brave Iranians who are standing up to the murderous and despotic "leadership" of your country are successful, with a minimal additional loss of life. But if history is a guide such upheavals are rarely easy or bloodless.

Getting back to your questions, I still think it's wise to moderate what technology is transferred from Western sources to Iran. I hope you are on the side of the counter-revolution (return to sanity), but we cannot be sure. And in the meantime, Iran continues to provide weapons to another, almost as evil depot regime in Russia. Caution is warranted...

Milland said:

I was being polite. I would have used very different phrasing if I intended to not be.

I sincerely hope the sacrifices of the brave Iranians who are standing up to the murderous and despotic "leadership" of your country are successful, with a minimal additional loss of life. But if history is a guide such upheavals are rarely easy or bloodless.

Getting back to your questions, I still think it's wise to moderate what technology is transferred from Western sources to Iran. I hope you are on the side of the counter-revolution (return to sanity), but we cannot be sure. And in the meantime, Iran continues to provide weapons to another, almost as evil depot regime in Russia. Caution is warranted...

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Respected American Friend,
Dear Milland
I am a tonewood supplier for instrument makers (I do with scientific approach), specially guitar,(on instagram and youtube you can search FaramazriWood)
my bandsaw blades crack and for some years I am searching a technology to repair them,
I experienced both oxy acetylene and TIG, now I use shot TIG(spot tig, cold tig) on blades, as all of these equipment are in production and sell in Iran,
but plasma welding equipment or lazer welding are very expensive here about 10-15 thousands dollar,
so I decided to make a welding technology for my own, with costs in my pocket ability,
NOTE 1: I am PHD of architecture, with inventions in chemistry, you can find my name in academia, etc.. but because of current despot regime I must work as a labor,
NOTE 2: if you think old expired technologies such a AHW(despite it is valuable for me) is very special update technology and current regime needs it, you wrong! they import DRONE engine and equipments from USA(and EU such as austria and germany) and make drone and sell to Russia,
your government must restrict such a technologies, not AHW from 90 years ago!!
all patents, books, articles of it is in my reach, I need details to less trial and error since my money is limited,
but be sure Iran's military industries have access to the toppest updated technologies and did not need AHW ,

I'm throwing the bullshit flag here. Let's look at the fantasy about "atomic" hydrogen combining to a molecule being an exothermic reaction. It is not. If it that is so then the "molecular" hydrogen has to absorb the exact same amount to become "atomic". And these reactions are happening within 1/2 inch of each other. The combining to a molecule takes place everyday every time a battery gasses. The hydrogen is produced as an ion (the proper name for the "atomic" hydrogen) and becomes a molecule as soon as it meets another. Nothing burns, no one dies. So all that shit about an exothermic reaction is just BS.
The hydrogen functions as a shield, just as argon would. Except that everything has to be baked for hydrogen embrittlement. When this hokum came about, Helium and Argon were rare and expensive. Hydrogen is cheap. Throw in a 40s fascination with the very word "atomic" and there you are.