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DDoug

Diamond
Joined
Oct 18, 2005
Location
NW Pa
So, when did Practical Machinist become Critical Machinist? I missed that post, I guess… never said it was either a perfect solution OR a permanent one - just tryna hold things together until we can tear into it properly. Which means warm enough to put the truck up on jack stands in driveway.
You appear to be driving it down that rabbit hole.
 

BT Fabrication

Stainless
Joined
Nov 3, 2019
Location
Ontario Canada
Interestingly, that’s the ultimate plan… it’s winter in New England, we hafta work in the driveway, and I’m just tryna get the Ranger thru to warm weather… the rubber fuel line has been holding well with just a few exceptions, and I don’t want grandson out tryna tighten clamps at night on a side road so I thought a flare fitting might just be the ticket til spring.
I used a borrowed pro-level bubble flare tool for the brake line - which I could get out of the truck easily - but the fuel line is a different story.

Might end up saving my pennies and buying the same tool I borrowed - would be a really nice addition to the shop - but for now might go compression and risk the vibration issue.

Thanks for being more helpful than critical - I appreciate that!!
if you use the brake line flaring tool, you might be able to put a small flare on the end of the existing line, then slide a high pressure fuel hose over it with high pressure fuel injection clamps. that way the flare slightly holds it from coming apart, its a bandaid solution ive used on a trail to get things home or into a shop.
sucks having to fix it, but thats why mechanics have shops indoors, might need to pay a guy this time around.
 

cg285

Stainless
Joined
Jan 31, 2007
Location
sumterville, fl
as a repair i'm not catching on to why it is so difficult. however if not comfortable fixing it try these people. they make in quantity a couple fuel lines i sell
classictube.com
 

MwTech Inc

Titanium
Joined
Feb 6, 2005
Location
Fishersville VA
In theory it's not a difficult repair......replace the line/have one made with factory ends and install it.
Yea its a huge pain in the butt to do it, worse when cold. I totally understand the OP's situation, been there.
But using rubber hose with clamps to contain the pressure in that line is just not correct.
Look, the grandson could be driving down the road, wintertime right now up there, slide off the road and hit something. Hey as kids
a lot of us have done that.........He hits the front corner, maybe it will, maybe it wont compromise the fuel line, but we have the chance to be spraying raw gas
into a hot engine compartment possibly with grandson inside the cab. Or somebody hits him........

That truck will put out about 1.0+/- oz per second. And we are going to assume the fuel pump kill switch works, if not we are going to feed that fire .
How many oz of gas does it take to start a fire.... less than 1 oz will flash right now

It's just not worth taking a chance with a human life knowing your are purposely making the "temporary" repair
Be the same as using copper lines on your brake system.
I ran fire/rescue, I guarantee burning to death is not the way to go.

OK i'm really done now.........
 

Strostkovy

Stainless
Joined
Oct 29, 2017
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cosmopedro

Plastic
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Jun 28, 2022
In theory it's not a difficult repair......replace the line/have one made with factory ends and install it.
Yea its a huge pain in the butt to do it, worse when cold. I totally understand the OP's situation, been there.
But using rubber hose with clamps to contain the pressure in that line is just not correct.
Look, the grandson could be driving down the road, wintertime right now up there, slide off the road and hit something. Hey as kids
a lot of us have done that.........He hits the front corner, maybe it will, maybe it wont compromise the fuel line, but we have the chance to be spraying raw gas
into a hot engine compartment possibly with grandson inside the cab. Or somebody hits him........

That truck will put out about 1.0+/- oz per second. And we are going to assume the fuel pump kill switch works, if not we are going to feed that fire .
How many oz of gas does it take to start a fire.... less than 1 oz will flash right now

It's just not worth taking a chance with a human life knowing your are purposely making the "temporary" repair
Be the same as using copper lines on your brake system.
I ran fire/rescue, I guarantee burning to death is not the way to go.

OK i'm really done now.........
I get all that - and appreciate that you said it without insulting me. Thanks!
 

farmersamm

Aluminum
Joined
Feb 26, 2008
Location
oklahoma
My 90's model Fords put out about 30psi IIRC. It's quite a bit of pressure to deal with, considering it's a flammable liquid. Even the return lines pose a problem.......not pressure, but fairly high volume.

I'd opt for a new line IMHO.

My trucks have an inertia switch to kill the pump, but I don't think there's any provision for shutting it off when a pressure drop is detected. The only way to kill the pump is to turn off the key........but I believe the in-tank pump has a backflow preventer that holds some residual pressure after it's shut off. The only way to work on the fuel system is to trip the inertia switch, and either run the motor till it quits, or by connecting a fuel pressure gauge to the fuel rail, and bleeding it that way. So..........any leak would continue under pressure for at least a limited time. Not a very safe proposition.
 

Cole2534

Diamond
Joined
Sep 10, 2010
Location
Oklahoma City, OK
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One time I was working a project on some process piping and needed a stainless 2" NPT union so I sent the warehouse guy to order one. A few days goes buy and he drops a 2" Swagelok tube union, like you've pictured above, in my lap. I dunno how much that cost, but it sure as hell wasn't cheap.
 

Superbowl

Cast Iron
Joined
Feb 12, 2020
Superbowl
Been welding for 30 years.......proficient in MIG, TIg, Stick. so know all about that....

It's the liability of the whole process.
I don't care if he uses bubble gum, its his truck. but rigging a pressurized fuel systems is just asking for issues.
We have no idea his qualifications.....
Besides how is he going to weld it with gas in the lines????
Please explain that process....
Argue with that.......
MwTech Inc.--Why don't you actually read my posts before commenting??? Especially the sentence that says flush the line with water before welding.
 

john.k

Diamond
Joined
Dec 21, 2012
Location
Brisbane Qld Australia
Funny story about a fuel line .......was doing some work .chassis extension, on a big gasoline powered ex military truck.........anyhoo ,cut a steel fuel line with the oxy....there was a whistling sound ,got louder and louder for around 10 seconds or more ,then "boom" the fuel tank exploded.....blew out the filler extension and strainer to who knows where ,and turned the welded steel tank from a cube into a sphere.
 








 
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