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dana gear

Hot Rolled
Joined
Feb 27, 2013
Location
Northern califorina, usa
Why do you stay in California if it's so bad there?
There is not a day that goes by that I don't think how nice it would be to be in one of the more conservative states, California has to be the biggest pain in the rear to do this type of business in. I don't believe in the state's communism views, or it's radical government. That said just the basic logistics of moving are numerous.
The moving of equipment/equipment and resetting up even a state or two away could easily exceed several million. But the way things are going here who knows.
 

triumph406

Titanium
Joined
Sep 14, 2008
Location
ca
Cal-Osha requires an annual pressure vessel test, they never did bill us for it but would send someone out to test for thin spots up to the point we got rid of the last employee a few years back, if you have one on your payroll you are required.

I've never heard of that,and have never been at an employer when Cal-OSHA came by to do a test.

Part of my job was testing pressure vessels we made, If Cal-OSHA came by 100% i'd be involved, never was in 30 years at multiple companies.
 

john.k

Diamond
Joined
Dec 21, 2012
Location
Brisbane Qld Australia
Eeven here ,pressure vessels over a certain size have to have a yearly inspection,and all the safety valves have to be tested and stamped yearly...........I found it was cheaper to buy new safety valves than getting some steam ripoff merchants to test and stamp them.......something thats not appreciated is that its possible to have an internal fire in big airlines and tanks. which will boost pressures like an explosion.
 

kustomizer

Titanium
Joined
Aug 17, 2007
Location
North Fork Idaho
I've never heard of that,and have never been at an employer when Cal-OSHA came by to do a test.

Part of my job was testing pressure vessels we made, If Cal-OSHA came by 100% i'd be involved, never was in 30 years at multiple companies.

Pressure Vessel Unit​

The pressure vessel unit is responsible under Labor Code sections 7620-7771 for the inspection of boilers (any fired or unfired pressure vessel used to generate steam pressure by the application of heat), and tanks (any fired or unfired pressure vessel used for the storage of air pressure or liquefied petroleum gases).

Permits are required for air tanks, LPG propane storage tanks over 125 gallons, and high pressure boilers over 15 psig steam. Permit exceptions depend on vessel capacity and operating pressures. Permit inspections may be performed by a Pressure Vessel Unit inspector or an inspector employed by an qualified insurance company. Schedule an inspection with the nearest pressure vessel office or contact your insurer to see if they provide this inspection service. The complete regulations are contained in Title 8 regulations, sections 450-560 and sections 750-797.

Address for Pressure Vessel Permit Payments​

Please send all payments to:
Department of Industrial Relations
DOSH – Pressure Vessel Permits
P.O. Box 511266
Los Angeles, CA 90051-7821
Contact the Pressure Vessel Invoice Inquiry Team at [email protected] for any questions.

Pressure Vessel Unit Office Locations​

Northern Office *​

Oakland Pressure Vessel District Office
1515 Clay Street Suite 1622-A
Oakland, CA 94612
Phone: (510) 622-3066
FAX: (510) 622-3063
Email: [email protected]
Manager: Leonard Tong, Senior Safety Engineer
* Counties north of San Luis Obispo, Kern and San Bernardino counties.

Southern Office **​

Santa Ana Pressure Vessel District Office
2 MacArthur Place, Suite 700
Santa Ana, CA 92707
Phone: (714) 567-7208
FAX: (714) 567-7297
Email: [email protected]
Manager: Gary Teel, Acting Principal Engineer
** Counties of San Luis Obispo, Kern, San Bernardino and south.

Pressure Vessel Headquarters Office​

Manager: Gary Teel, Acting Principal Engineer
1515 Clay Street, Suite 1622-A
Oakland, CA 94612

here it is, Wonder woman says it was every other year, lots of folks don't know or do it, yet it is a requirement just the same.

 

Big B

Diamond
Joined
Jun 26, 2009
Location
Michigan, USA
There is not a day that goes by that I don't think how nice it would be to be in one of the more conservative states, California has to be the biggest pain in the rear to do this type of business in. I don't believe in the state's communism views, or it's radical government. That said just the basic logistics of moving are numerous.
The moving of equipment/equipment and resetting up even a state or two away could easily exceed several million. But the way things are going here who knows.
That makes sense. I spend winters in Arizona and most of my neighbors are from California and I hear the same things out of them. They seem to have no love for their native state of California.
 

latheman78

Hot Rolled
Joined
May 28, 2022
Location
Southern Ca Mtns.
A good California vs AZ example are people putting in spray on truck bed lining, these are from people who had it done, and a little dated, but we know California just keeps adding regulations. California started forcing a lot of them to get down draft enclosed paint booths installed, forcing many of them out of business, as a lot of them just rented space in a small industrial unit, got a spraying rig and went to work.

Drive to Arizona, there are guys spraying those things in the back of a shop under a carport.
 

triumph406

Titanium
Joined
Sep 14, 2008
Location
ca
That makes sense. I spend winters in Arizona and most of my neighbors are from California and I hear the same things out of them. They seem to have no love for their native state of California.

People from California are tired of California, states where Californians go to are tired of Californians.

Pressure Vessel Unit​

The pressure vessel unit is responsible under Labor Code sections 7620-7771 for the inspection of boilers (any fired or unfired pressure vessel used to generate steam pressure by the application of heat), and tanks (any fired or unfired pressure vessel used for the storage of air pressure or liquefied petroleum gases).

Permits are required for air tanks, LPG propane storage tanks over 125 gallons, and high pressure boilers over 15 psig steam. Permit exceptions depend on vessel capacity and operating pressures. Permit inspections may be performed by a Pressure Vessel Unit inspector or an inspector employed by an qualified insurance company. Schedule an inspection with the nearest pressure vessel office or contact your insurer to see if they provide this inspection service. The complete regulations are contained in Title 8 regulations, sections 450-560 and sections 750-797.

Address for Pressure Vessel Permit Payments​

Please send all payments to:
Department of Industrial Relations
DOSH – Pressure Vessel Permits
P.O. Box 511266
Los Angeles, CA 90051-7821
Contact the Pressure Vessel Invoice Inquiry Team at [email protected] for any questions.

Pressure Vessel Unit Office Locations​

Northern Office *​

Oakland Pressure Vessel District Office
1515 Clay Street Suite 1622-A
Oakland, CA 94612
Phone: (510) 622-3066
FAX: (510) 622-3063
Email: [email protected]
Manager: Leonard Tong, Senior Safety Engineer
* Counties north of San Luis Obispo, Kern and San Bernardino counties.

Southern Office **​

Santa Ana Pressure Vessel District Office
2 MacArthur Place, Suite 700
Santa Ana, CA 92707
Phone: (714) 567-7208
FAX: (714) 567-7297
Email: [email protected]
Manager: Gary Teel, Acting Principal Engineer
** Counties of San Luis Obispo, Kern, San Bernardino and south.

Pressure Vessel Headquarters Office​

Manager: Gary Teel, Acting Principal Engineer
1515 Clay Street, Suite 1622-A
Oakland, CA 94612

here it is, Wonder woman says it was every other year, lots of folks don't know or do it, yet it is a requirement just the same.



Like I said, in 30 years never seen it done.
 

john.k

Diamond
Joined
Dec 21, 2012
Location
Brisbane Qld Australia
Funny story about an annual inspection......Indian guy used to do the sandblasters tanks......anyhoo,I shut off the 6 " pipe to one tank beside an outbuilding.......the inspector is inside the tank checking thickness with an ultrasonic meter,and the hissing of air leaking is getting louder and louder.......Im trying to hurry up this guy ,finally he gets out of the tank,and walks away.......then there is a massive air blast and a big lump of rubber comes flying out of the tank,and smashes into a water cooler about 20 feet away..........the lump of rubber was a part of a butterfly valve Col had used in the airline ......only meant for 30 psi max............would have killed the Indian if he had been in the tank...........i had another of Cols crap valves blow out in my face the moment I put a spanner onto it.........12,000CFM blowing out make a lot of noise ...no wonder Im deaf.
 

Ox

Diamond
Joined
Aug 27, 2002
Location
West Unity, Ohio
$112/tonne doesn't sound so bad, until you pay the trucking bill associated with it.

Not sure how that is "down" tho?
Has it been up the last few months?
Last I knew it was in the tank.


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Think Snow Eh!
Ox
 

DanASM

Hot Rolled
Joined
Mar 11, 2019
$112/tonne doesn't sound so bad, until you pay the trucking bill associated with it.

Not sure how that is "down" tho?
Has it been up the last few months?
Last I knew it was in the tank.


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Think Snow Eh!
Ox
I wasnt getting paid for steel turnings a few months back. $100/ ton is enough for me to do a run to the yard in the 7.3L Diesel. I got 30+ 55 gal trash bags full of AL turnings that I usually get 4-5 bucks a bag for at .20-.25 cents/lb.

Those prices look decent compared to 2-3 months ago.
 

Ox

Diamond
Joined
Aug 27, 2002
Location
West Unity, Ohio
In trash BAGS!
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Think Snow Eh!
Ox
 

newtonsapple

Hot Rolled
Joined
May 16, 2017
Funny story about an annual inspection......Indian guy used to do the sandblasters tanks......anyhoo,I shut off the 6 " pipe to one tank beside an outbuilding.......the inspector is inside the tank checking thickness with an ultrasonic meter,and the hissing of air leaking is getting louder and louder.......Im trying to hurry up this guy ,finally he gets out of the tank,and walks away.......then there is a massive air blast and a big lump of rubber comes flying out of the tank,and smashes into a water cooler about 20 feet away..........the lump of rubber was a part of a butterfly valve Col had used in the airline ......only meant for 30 psi max............would have killed the Indian if he had been in the tank...........i had another of Cols crap valves blow out in my face the moment I put a spanner onto it.........12,000CFM blowing out make a lot of noise ...no wonder Im deaf.
Wow, I thought it was scary the time I pulled a 1" open flow disconnect off an 120 gallon tank thinking it was an auto shut off. The thousands of CFM part was very brief given the size of the tank at least. The location in a 6ftx6ft closet in an office didn't help though.
 
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in2glamisgirl

Aluminum
Joined
Jun 20, 2006
Location
Hawthorne, CA USA
Just had a load picked up in So Cal 11-15-2022 (SA Recycling)
Mixed Al solid .70
Mixed Al chips .55
Copper solid 3.12
Copper chips 2.54
EDM wire brass 2.20
Titanium solid 1.18
Titanium chips .67
 

david n

Diamond
Joined
Apr 13, 2007
Location
Pillager, MN
Does anyone know if florescent lighting transformers have any scrap value?


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Think Snow Eh!
Ox
No sure...........I have a few buckets of them layin out back............I'll prolly just give em to the scrapper that picks up my iron.
 

john.k

Diamond
Joined
Dec 21, 2012
Location
Brisbane Qld Australia
Anything steel that comes in a pickup or car is called hobby rates here,I dont get quoted prices for under 5 ton,and generally a bonus rate for over 8 ton in the bin.........the driver told me the highest rate of his regulars is a punched strip fabricator where bins always go 12 ton of the flat punchings ,which is his max legal axle.
 








 
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