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William Payne

Aluminum
Joined
May 29, 2016
I can share what happens when you DON'T do the right thing.
Dad didn't plan for the future. He kept putting it off. Meanwhile his jack-wagon brother and fat niece were robbing it blind.
One day, a company that was grossing $15m a year had $300 in the bank and $800k in debts.
Moral of the story - start talking and planning NOW.
I had to sit and watch as my future burned. Fortunately, I grabbed the two best machines, the Rolodex, and beat feet out of town.
Here I am, prosperous and working my own shop. But it NEVER should have gone this way.

Put it all in writing and review yearly.

I wasn't going to comment on this thread as I have nothing to add but I take it this is a case of people using company money to pay for their lifestyles? That seems to happen a lot I have noticed even among owners of businesses.
 

DouglasJRizzo

Titanium
Joined
Jun 7, 2011
Location
Ramsey, NJ.
I wasn't going to comment on this thread as I have nothing to add but I take it this is a case of people using company money to pay for their lifestyles? That seems to happen a lot I have noticed even among owners of businesses.
Mercedes SL roadsters, yachts with paid crews, Country club memberships, yacht club regattas, yeah, exactly what happened.
 

Mr.M

Cast Iron
Joined
Sep 28, 2012
Location
MN, USA
My dad has a business that is very successful in its field. Years ago, he asked if I would move back and work for him. After my wife and I talked about it, we told him no. It was a field of work that I am not passionate about, and therefore long term it didn't seem to be a good fit for me. I have a number of siblings and most of them work for him, but he doesn't have a clear exit plan. I know it isn't that helpful, but I guess I am saying, if they aren't interested don't force them into it.
 

bosmos_j

Hot Rolled
Joined
Jun 9, 2015
the most destructive thing to a family business (bar divorce) is sending the kids to university to become professionals .....once qualified ,working in huge glass offices with half acre desks makes it very difficult to come back to oil,grease and dirt floors.
Also disagree. I think it's important to get out in the world and learn how to work with people and how to be a professional. It's also nice to make mistakes when you're learning on someone else's dime. Crash a machine at a big company.. not too big of a deal. Crash your dad's only CNC.. a little different.
 

finix

Plastic
Joined
Jan 31, 2021
Honestly, many parents that run a business over think and do more harm then good. I can only share my experience as a son growing up in my fathers business.

Being told you won’t get anything for free at a young age isn’t useful, and doesn’t teach any useful life lessons. Offering them challenging projects they can tackle builds confidence, work ethic and a taste of success. The failures teaches mechanisms to cope with failure and bruised egos, a skill few second generation kids posses. When they want something, denying them based on not having nice things when you were young, for the purpose of toughening them is silly. Set a price, make them earn it. Once in awhile set the price so high, the task so difficult they can’t attain it. Can’t have everything in life is a great lesson, so is dealing with disappointment.

Education is useful to an extent, but knowledge of the current business is irrelevant. The only thing of real importance is knowing how to learn and self educate. With all the resources available today they can easily learn all the things relevant later on.

Despite popular belief work ethic isn’t taught, simply set the example and it will make a difference.

When the time comes for transitioning them into the company. Don’t just drop them into a role and hope it works out, pro actively plan to make it work. I don’t believe in the non-sense of start at the bottom with a broom, neither do I believe in starting at the top. They’ll most likely make a royal mess of either. Find an isolated role, useful enough to not be a waste of time, but with little interaction with others. When they’ve naturally earned the respect of others, everything will naturally work out from there.
 

William Payne

Aluminum
Joined
May 29, 2016
If I may say something. From an employees perspective having worked in 2 family business. The smaller one I worked for is where I work now is great everyone gets along great and the son has worked along side everyone so there has never been any animosity at all.

However the other business I worked for was much larger and run more like an actual big company. There were guys who had worked there for decades and were good at what they did. When the founder retired obviously his two sons took over which was expected as they had worked with the company for years as it grew. However the sons sons were just coming out of high school and nepotism was rife with that lot. They hadn't done anything and didn't know anything yet were all given good jobs in the company straight out of school. Ok it was expected that the business would stay in the family so us grunts expected that as generations went by the next generation would take over but once the third generation left school and entered the company the company was at a level where it was very successful. The animosity was more that the founders grandsons were basically set for life and didn't have to do anything, where as the founder and his two sons had to grow the company and make it into what it is today.
 

604Pook

Aluminum
Joined
Sep 14, 2022
Having worked in and out of a family business for my whole life, i would say make sure when you have an idea if they are interested in being part of the business you tell them a plan and try to stick to it. My parents are getting very close to retirement and I still don't know their plan for the business. After12 years and no plan for how i fit in to it, I made my own plan and moved 6 hours away and am still contracting to them for a bunch of my work, but even with that not sure where it will end up so i am planning for more outside work.
 

Garwood

Diamond
Joined
Oct 10, 2009
Location
Oregon
Having worked in and out of a family business for my whole life, i would say make sure when you have an idea if they are interested in being part of the business you tell them a plan and try to stick to it. My parents are getting very close to retirement and I still don't know their plan for the business. After12 years and no plan for how i fit in to it, I made my own plan and moved 6 hours away and am still contracting to them for a bunch of my work, but even with that not sure where it will end up so i am planning for more outside work.

I can relate to that! My wife and I like to plan things out long term. Our parents are the opposite. They plan nothing and it drives us insane.

With my kids, I constantly discuss both large and small decisions with them in the room or vehicle. I want it to soak in what my wife and I take into consideration and I often ask them what they think as well. I think it forms a closeness in our family. The kids understanding why we might put up with bad plumbing and roof leaks in a 100 year old house because we're going to tear most of it down in 5 years is an example. They know what the budget is for the remodel, how much work it will be and where that money will come from. They've watched and helped as I've built a shop on our property from nothing. They saw how the neighbor financed his big new building and the financial strain destroyed a marriage while we are happy with just our small mortgage. My wife and I have never fought. When we disagree we discuss and compromise. We do it in front of our kids so they have a clue how life works and have the tools to be successful.

Communication is huge for a family. I think we're OK there. I don't want the discussion of any of them being involved or taking over my business to have a negative impact on their development. I don't ever want them to think they're just a cog in the machine dad built.

I think the long term approach I'm going to take with my kids and my business is to let them know if they develop an interest in dad's business we could discuss strategies and form a plan if they're interested. If they start and lead that discussion that's as good a signal as any that they might have what it takes to run a business.
 








 
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