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Big B

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I consider myself a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. I totally believe that it shouldn't matter if you are black or white, gay or straight or anything else as far as how the government views you. I also believe that we should pay our bills and that means that running up trillions in debt is bad and both parties do it in a non stop way. It appears to me that the tax cuts since Reagans "tax cuts" of 86, most of the money that got cut in taxes went to the very rich and that's why we have so much debt. It's time to tax the rich to pay our bills. And I'm not talking big tax hikes for people making up to a million a year but some tax hikes for those making hundreds of millions annually on up.

And while I lean heavily towards the left, I have voted for Republicans and may do so in the future.
 

Big B

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I hope so. That means that I've managed to save enough that my girls actually get something when I'm gone.
Do you realize that current estate taxes don't kick in until you have an estate of 12 million plus for single filers and 24 for married filers? Must be you want to leave your children huge trust funds.
If they're building new refineries and upgrading old ones, It can only effect me in a positive way.

You didn't answer the question which was about tax breaks for big oil.
I don't know. What's "fair". I know LOTS of people that pay no federal income taxes, and they're not rich.



No.
I'm trying to figure out why the democrats, that have run this government for a year and a half, haven't passed laws that prevent this from happening. they have NO EXUSE from dropping this ball. NONE.
Democrats have two excuses (poor excuses at that) and their names are Kristen Synema and Joe Manchin. Without their votes, Democrats are dead on the water in the senate and that's where things are right now. Both of those senators are nothing more than Republions running as Democrats.
Campaign contributors.


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I think wall street is great, they've bought and paid for two of my houses so far. If all goes to plan, there's going to a few more in the future.



Don't have a clue. The only thing I do know is that they love printing money, burning down cities, intimidating judges, talking about shit that happened almost two years ago, and NOT doing their job.
For the record, Obama added around 8 trillion in 8 years and trumpy added almost the exact amount in 4 years so don't talk about the Democrats printing money. It's both parties but the Democrats have some catching up to do.
I dude showing up at my door saying:
"I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."
 

idacal

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dcsipo i never said im republican, that is not what was asked, read the title, I am conservative. I think a lot of the old ways are better, dont get me wrong i love technology think its great, but spend less than you make. dont abort your babys, but if you think its your right go ahead, I dont want to pay for your kids, but I'm not killing mine. but dont bitch when your old and alone, eating dog food, you made your bed by killing those that at least have a moral obligation to help you. I don't bother voting unless the person im voting for is worth spending an hour of my life going down to vote for. I see kids leaving this vaunted school system barely able to read much less do analytical thinking, but dont worry that child spent 22000 hours of their life in that system. and now need another 8000 hours of college to still not know how to figure something out. 9000.00 per year for public schooling is spent here, with a 56% efficiency rate that's failure in any business I have ever seen except school. straight up liberal policies. throw money at it without fixing the system. as for guns really? you dont think that with as many programing files floating round that the the same crooks that are making meth couldn't figure out how to program an old cnc to make their own?
 

Big B

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Cluck.cluck, cluck...and ah? cluck.
Yes Hen's, chatter

Re: (I don't know. What's "fair". I know LOTS of people that pay no federal income taxes, and they're not rich.

I think everybody should pay tax. and all the spending should be a public open book so people know and care where that money is going. Politicians cheating or pocketing, or taking side money or side benefits should get their khangas cut off.

Like this, government bozos taking double their pay by writing checks out of tax money over their specified pay amount...a few paid part of it back..jail time would have been the proper thing (if we had tried the same).


Darn ? did I just post on this dumb thread ..Ops.
How much taxes do you think someone making minimum wage should pay in taxes out of their paychecks? That's $290 a week gross pay.
 

idacal

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another thing, deep liberal thinking, first set up this great social security system, that on paper looks good. and really is nesasary. then allow abortion so upwards of 40 million potential earners and payers are dead then bellyache that there is not enough money in the security net. talk about causing your own problems
 

Big B

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Last year there were 10 million unique visits to this site.
A half- dozen?
thats literally too few to count.
Republicans are absolutists that believe that if there is one fraudulent ballot cast out of 150 million ballots, we should scrap our whole voting system. And it doesn't matter that the one fraudulent vote was for their guy either.

"It it isn't broken, break it" seems to be how they roll.
 

Big B

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Divert and distract, that play has risen to page one of the Democrats playbook.

"Pay no attention to the current shape the economy is in, Jan 6th is what matters."

"Stop the Ultra Maga Trump movement, it threatens what this country stands for."

Still talking about the Buffalo shooter, daily and that happened a month ago, because "White supremacy is the biggest threat to democracy."
I do understand the many conservatives aren't capable of paying attention to what happened on January 6th and the economy at the same time but some of us can.

Do you think if Democrats called off the January 6th hearings prices would just drop?

I'm glad that Democrats finally decided to move forward with the hearings to put it on record that we had a sitting president try to overthrow our government by force. And that former sitting president is an embarrassment and traitor to this country.

This may shock you but the January 6th hearings have zero to do with the economy and inflation but I can see why republicons would like to have them go away. The hearings expose what the republicon party is made of and it isn't pretty.
 

Big B

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The one that gets me is around 50% of gun deaths are suicides, and people are naive enough to think getting guns away from those people will save their lives, which is 100% false, they will just find another way to kill themselves.
Maybe they can find a little less messy of ending their lives than shooting themselves. This may be something that you never thought of but someone has to clean up the mess. How would you like to have the job of cleaning up after a suicide by a gunshot?
 

crickets

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You are right, if you read all the gun-related USSC rulings, the second is no more an absolute right than the rest of the amendments, the gun lobby just wants to make it so. Do not know how to make it happen, but people who contemplate suicide should not have guns. Over 6200 veterans commit suicide every year and these people had a hell of a lot more gun safety training under their belts than the general population. And this is despite the most comprehensive outreach programs in the US for Vets. The red meat,,,the commies are coming for your guns, crap is killing people who need more mental health than a gun accessible to them. The suicide rate in the Vet population is disproportionately high, for a number of reasons. Every one of them who serves this country and takes their own life is an immense tragedy. So if some are offended because I call their gun obsession a hobby, then so be it.

To be fair, the thinkers on the left are the ones to suggest the Second Amendment should be treated as a lesser amendment given its side-effects. And I pointed this out before - treating suicides by denying people rights sends the wrong message while also not addressing the causes. Stop sending people into wars (Democrats are quite happy war mongers, just like the Republicans) and you will have fewer suicides among the vets. Other suicides likely have similar traceable causes like economic distress, societal neglect, etc.
 

DDoug

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Maybe they can find a little less messy of ending their lives than shooting themselves. This may be something that you never thought of but someone has to clean up the mess. How would you like to have the job of cleaning up after a suicide by a gunshot?
Well, let them have all the Morphine they want.

Ever be around a loved one going thru Hospice lately ?

The OP, being a bible thumper, and his ilk have all but shut off compassion towards their fellow man.
 

Scottl

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Hey dscipo, no thanks on your "helpful suggestions".

I have no intention of running for office. I'll leave that for those with the ambition and aptitude for it.

I did vote for the people I want, especially in 2016 and 2020 But the peculiarities surrounding the 2020 elections prevented what was certain to be a huge landslide for reelection. Informed voters are the best term limits and the reason no longer support them is because promoters NEVER suggest applying them to people like Schumer, Feinstein, and Pelosi.

"And the BS is not one-sided, just thicker on the right and thinner and more voluminous on the left."

LMAO over that one! The media, including social media is very much biased toward the left and use their well-funded skills and years of practice pushing a tsunami of foul smelling BS. Unfortunately, too much of the public believe it because they equate volume with quality and accuracy.

Trump 2024!
 

Scottl

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Maybe they can find a little less messy of ending their lives than shooting themselves. This may be something that you never thought of but someone has to clean up the mess. How would you like to have the job of cleaning up after a suicide by a gunshot?
Depends on who offed themselves. In some cases I'd be HONORED to do the cleanup at no charge. ;)
 

dcsipo

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And you are removing all their pain ?
So you are working hard to keep them from getting a gun, just so you can keep your job.
Your attitude and comments disgust me.
Are you nuts? I said all proposals are intrusive, It is my opinion if one considers suicide, they should not have a gun, a gun makes it way too easy. The program is not a gun control program it is a mental health program we are working on. Legally it is not possible to remove guns from their hands.
 

Big B

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Well, let them have all the Morphine they want.

Ever be around a loved one going thru Hospice lately ?

The OP, being a bible thumper, and his ilk have all but shut off compassion towards their fellow man.
I'd much rather give them all the morphine they want over having them shoot themselves. I think a lot of gun suicides have to do with people not being able to deal with pain and doctors that are afraid to prescribe medications to deal with that pain. I think one recent mass shooting was a result of that. A friend of mine for over 40 years shot himself to death a few years ago. He did it in a bed that he had shared with his wife of many decades and it seemed to have kind of freaked her out. She moved out of the house for quite a while while she was trying to deal with it.

And yes I have been involved with Hospice with both of my parents.
 

Shawnrs

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Is that why you think you are a "conservative" If you believe that, you are nothing but confused.

Here are some questions.

Do you believe that you will ever be a subject of estate taxes?
Not sure


Do you believe that giving tax breaks to the fossil fuel industry is a good idea?
depends on what is in place of tax breaks. are these companies employing thousands of people or just a few? Are they offering benefits to the people they employ like free health care? If so I can see a tax break. The problem i see with tax breaks is that most extremely rich businesses hire expensive people to find the loop holes they can exploit.

Do you think that wealthy people pay fair taxes?

I think some do but then again I don't really know many rich people that are honest.


Do you believe that you should go bankrupt if you have a major medical crisis? Depends on the situation. If medical crisis is self inflicted then I have no problem with them going bankrupt. If the medical crisis is a result of bad luck then no.
Who do you think the current GOP caters to? Scumbags, losers, rich people, stupid people, themselves

Who do you think the current Dems cater to? Scumbags, losers, poor people, stupid people, themselves.

The only difference between a democrat and a republican is their agendas. They are the same people to me.

What do you think of Wall Street? it is a place for rich people.

What do you think the Democrat's agenda is? What ever the flavor of the day is.

What do you fear the most? Kids with guns
 

Ries

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I cannot relate to liberals. Seems to be, really don't know any, surely aren't screening anyone beforehand.
Observations indicate manufacturing harbors conservatives, especially at shop level. These are the same folks who curry interest for cars and motorcycles, music from rock to classical, hunting, shooting, fishing, camping, and probably have a personal shop in their garage, a high percentage are veterans, to name a few traits. Side interests are part of what makes people happy, and reflects the family too. Many feel religious; my perspective says they have faith and beliefs; not the same thing. So, like others details offered, they are involved with things that can be just participation, or far more involved.

Liberals might act like wolves but they are more like sheep. They seem unable to weigh counter points. Intolerant, arrogant, and yet desperate for attention, and still ready to cancel you none the less. Everything is acceptable, the more aberrant (to us) the better. Liberals just have to display themselves with green hair, unattractive style, and a sorely neglected physical presence. They have a good number of pathological liars; because logic and genuine proof aren't convincing to THEM.
Perfect example right now; look at who is still wearing masks (apparently extra points while alone in car) while eyeing 'us' suspect.

This has not been my experience.
I have been working with metal for a living since the 70s.
I have employed probably 40 people over that time.
As the owner of my business, I have dealt personally with many subs and suppliers- from giant metal distributors, to industrial sandblasters, powdercoaters, waterjet shops, machine shops, fab shops, and welding shops. Suppliers from 1 man dealerships to multinational corporations.
I have found that the range of political opinions I have run into range from out and out communinst (0ne- a british blacksmith- there are virtually zero real communists in the USA) thru leftists, centrists, conservatives, q-anon believers, and delusional nutjobs.
I have employed veterans, ex-cons, college students, over 50's second career people, machinists, welders, and industrial designers, as well as lesbians, blacks, native americans, chicanos, asians, and plenty of all american white guys.
Two of the people I employed with the weirdest colored hair turned out to be a conservative guy who tried to get me to use my shop to let him convert a weapon to full auto- Full NO on that one, but he worked for me for two years, purple hair, pierced nose, and all. And, an very christian, female air force vet who has gone full on Q-anon since she worked here. She was a very good welder, and I enjoyed working with her.
Basically, over 50 years or so of actually knowing, and in many cases, working with, people for 2 to 5 years, I have known "liberals" and "conservatives" and found that your generalisations dont really apply to either.
The guy I had for a year or so who had gotten out of jail for shooting the police dog- he was a conservative.
The guy who was chicano/native, who had served in jail as well, was apolitical.
The ex-Coast Guard officer, who went back to welding school, was what you would consider a raging liberal.
Several of the liberal employees I had went on to start their own businesses in metal working.
Generally speaking, the more conservative guys I have employed went to work for big corporations, were less willing to take risks, and dont employ others.
But NO generalisations about political opinions seem to reflect, in my experience, at 67 years of age, honesty, morals, skills, or whether or not someone is a decent person.
I have good friends who are quite conservative, who are lifelong metalworkers, and friends who had been arrested multiple times for protesting and breaking police car windows in the 80s, who are excellent metalworkers, business owners, and employers.
It takes all kinds, and, thats whats out there.
 

dcsipo

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To be fair, the thinkers on the left are the ones to suggest the Second Amendment should be treated as a lesser amendment given its side-effects. And I pointed this out before - treating suicides by denying people rights sends the wrong message while also not addressing the causes. Stop sending people into wars (Democrats are quite happy war mongers, just like the Republicans) and you will have fewer suicides among the vets. Other suicides likely have similar traceable causes like economic distress, societal neglect, etc.
Guns do not cause suicide, I think we can agree on that. Suicide prevention is not gun control. But having a gun is real punctuation in that discussion. Suicide prevention is talking people off the ledge they find themself pushed up against. I still maintain that people contemplating suicide should not have access to a gun. How you manage to do that is not clear. One issue is legal, the other is moral. There is no current law that would allow the forced removal of weapons from their possession. The moral part is the balancing of their right to defend themselves, vs preventing them to harm themselves. A suicidal person is not suicidal all the time, they are just teetering on that ledge, and when something shoves, they fall, The number of attempted suicides when a gun is involved is near zero.
 

dcsipo

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Well, let them have all the Morphine they want.

Ever be around a loved one going thru Hospice lately ?

The OP, being a bible thumper, and his ilk have all but shut off compassion towards their fellow man.
I am a nonbeliever, beyond agnostic, but not a militant atheist. And I have a hell of a lot more compassion for my fellow man than the bible thumpers. I think medically assisted suicide for the terminally ill should be legal. But that is not what we were discussing. Get your facts straight. BTW Propanol works better than morphine.
 
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