Relocation

Hi every one !
We have a small production of spare parts for ATVs and motocross motorcycles from Russia, in the Moscow region.
After the start of mobilization (September 21), two of my employees were called up for military training, one employee moved to relatives in Kazakhstan.

For me, the question of relocation of production has become ripe, because the demand for our spare parts has dropped dramatically and because I cannot sell spare parts abroad due to the fact that FEDEX and UPS no longer work in Russia.
All equipment is up for sale.

In our work we use one 5-axis machine Dmu 70 Evolution
one 4-axis machine maho 5mc
one 3-axis machine mazak
two CNC lathes
two universal lathes,
one injection molding machine
one cylindrical grinder
one centless grinder and one surface grinder.
induction hardening and induction melting machine.
Our entire manufacturing facility covers approximately 2,500 square yards.

I am guided by prices on sites with supported equipment, I approximately understood how much is needed to purchase a similar set of equipment in the US.

I would be very grateful if I could get answers to some of my questions here.

1. Can I do this kind of production on my own land, farm or is it necessary to be located in an industrial zone for this?
2. Are there any problems with obtaining the necessary electrical power needed to work on your own site?
or farm , it's about 200-250kw.
3.In which city in Texas is it easiest to find the necessary materials for production, Aluminum, titanium, steel and aluminum for casting?
or maybe you can recommend another state.

Many thanks.

Set up and running a machine shop in the USA is pretty much wide open. Good to run through the OSHA rules if you intend to hire people.
I have a friend who makes and markets a motorcycle part. He ran for about 15 years and now has given the business to his son.
A home shop can run with little interference, but if you bother a neighbor with noise, traffic, or electrical/Tv disturbance likely you will be asked/ordered to shut down.
Because the USA is easy on a business competition is keen.
*Sounds like there is some peace talk going on, good for the war to be soon ended.

I think that in the first year of work I will not hire employees.
My wife helps me, she is good at modeling in solidworks and often helps me as a lathe and mill operator.

michiganbuck said:

I have a friend who makes and markets a motorcycle part. He ran for about 15 years and now has given the business to his son.
A home shop can run with little interference, but if you bother a neighbor with noise, traffic, or electrical/Tv disturbance likely you will be asked/ordered to shut down.
Because the USA is easy on a business competition is keen.

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I think a plot of 2-3 or even 5 acres on the outskirts of the village was the perfect place.

I am very concerned about the issue of electrical connection and how much it can cost.
It is customary for us to allocate 15 kW to private plots.

Rescuer said:

My wife helps me, she is good at modeling in solidworks and often helps me as a lathe and mill operator.

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Wow, You should keep her happy.

And close.

Rescuer said:

I think a plot of 2-3 or even 5 acres on the outskirts of the village was the perfect place.

I am very concerned about the issue of electrical connection and how much it can cost.
It is customary for us to allocate 15 kW to private plots.

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Ohio would be a good state for your purpose as well. Property is not too expensive and we are isolated from many of the societal issues of the day.

There is a lot of industry here as well so finding suppliers is never difficult.

The best way to solve your electrical connection problem would be to contact real estate brokers in each area and tell them your requirements. They can look for properties that meet your needs and direct any further questions to the proper contact.

Finding a home and shop space in the US is not difficult, especially if you are searching a broad area.

Rescuer said:

For me, the question of relocation of production has become ripe, because the demand for our spare parts has dropped dramatically and because I cannot sell spare parts abroad due to the fact that FEDEX and UPS no longer work in Russia.

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Hi colleague! I have a very similar problem. We also have a metalworking shop, most of the customers are also abroad, and some of the personnel are also under the threat of mobilization.
If it's not a secret, have you already found out what conditions exist in the USA for the legal organization of such a workshop? I mean visas, work permits, maybe some benefits if you are willing to invest some amount of money in a business in the USA.

Milling man said:

Hi colleague! I have a very similar problem. We also have a metalworking shop, most of the customers are also abroad, and some of the personnel are also under the threat of mobilization.
If it's not a secret, have you already found out what conditions exist in the USA for the legal organization of such a workshop? I mean visas, work permits, maybe some benefits if you are willing to invest some amount of money in a business in the USA.

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At the moment, the equipment is sold very slowly, the real estate market too.
So far, I am consulting with a tax consultant from Florida on all the nuances of working in the United States.

perhaps in some states there are programs to assist entrepreneurs, I have not yet found out.

First of all, you must have legal status in the United States and have a work permit.
the fastest but not entirely reliable way is refugee status.

Freedommachine said:

Ohio would be a good state for your purpose as well. Property is not too expensive and we are isolated from many of the societal issues of the day.

There is a lot of industry here as well so finding suppliers is never difficult.

The best way to solve your electrical connection problem would be to contact real estate brokers in each area and tell them your requirements. They can look for properties that meet your needs and direct any further questions to the proper contact.

Finding a home and shop space in the US is not difficult, especially if you are searching a broad area.

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thanks for the answer.

I looked at several options in Ohio on Zillow.
The price of real estate is indeed somewhat lower than what I looked at before.

TEXAS!

Well, you will be needing to go on blood thinners for a while!
I can't imagine going from Moscow to Houston!

As you can see, I am from Ohio, and from everything that I know (been at this quite a while) you can stuff a machine in any falling down Quonset hut anywhere you can find one empty.

If you are willing to run a phase convertor, then likely no-one will question anything, and if you are out of town, no-one is going to bother you. If you want incoming 3 phase, then you will need to be much more strategic in your hunt for a location. In the USA - 3 phase is not everywhere. (don't know how USSR is wired) And asking for it to be installed - the electric provider may be more interested in sticking their nose in your business.

Toledo Edison is known for being difficult. I'm gunna guess that any of the bigger conglomerate suppliers are as well?
AEP, Detroit Edison, etc...

Where any of our smaller co-op's are happy to help.

If you are not hiring, then there are very few rules to worry about, other than maybe environmental.
(Stay as far away from California and some of the eastern seaboard states!)
If you dump drums of dirty Trichloroethylene in the driveway, that will raise an eyebrow here as well, but washing your truck does NOT cause an issue.

Was you thinking of bringing your own equipment, or replacing here?
If you are looking to replace here, the easiest place to find manufacturing equipment is going to be from Chicago to Cleveland.


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Ox said:

Was you thinking of bringing your own equipment, or replacing here?
If you are looking to replace here, the easiest place to find manufacturing equipment is going to be from Chicago to Cleveland.


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transporting our equipment does not make financial sense. in the US, such equipment will be 20-50 percent cheaper.
Because of the sanction, imported equipment has become very expensive. For example, a local reseller recently sold an umc 750 used for 5-7 years for $200,000.

"If you are willing to run a phase convertor, then likely no-one will question anything, and if you are out of town, no-one is going to bother you."

Straying a bit but when buying or leasing any property it's probably a good thing to know any kind of back story regarding future development.....

Yesterday had a conversion with a rural type person running a business out of farm buildings. Great setup...flying under the radar and where they are at still within zoning regs.

But...the glitch.....Solar farm development in the area requires upgrades to transmission lines and the power company involved needs to inspect all customer service in the area in order to establish some kind of stray voltage baseline. I guess inspection of homebrewed wiring, service panels and such may involve costly upgrades.

So if renting, or buying, make sure your ass is covered and all services are up to date.

If you were Ukrainian you'd be welcome, especially coming across the southern border.

Russian? No thanks, nobody wants you, Even Finland is talking about constructing a border fence to keep Russians out.

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That being said

California despite what people who live elsewhere is a good place to do business.

Texas is a cheaper place to live, housing is cheaper, compare California to Texas you'll find out why. Other the Austin, and the Hill Country, Texas I don't think has much to offer.. Californians who have moved to Texas have started to adversely effect Texas for Texans (I'm glad to say)

Florida is a hell hole, flat, gators, snakes, hurricanes, De Santis, elderly drivers etc etc.

I like the cold, I'd contemplate Michigan, Ohio, other states adjacent. Some have Russian communities, greater ability to buy affordable land to build your own shop. Very difficult to do here in California. Well in parts of California worth living in.

How's your spoken English?

One thing is your going to have to learn is doing business the American way. The way you have done business in Russia is not going to work here, period end of story.

Lots of Armenians who came to Los Angeles from Russia had a hard time adapting to doing businees the American way, rather then the Russian way. The established Armenian community who came over in the 60's (from Armenia) and before pretty much hate them with a passion, because they've made the established Armenian community look bad. A day spent in Glendale will be illuminating. These were Armenians born in Russia, not Armenia.

This made me laugh>>>>>>"One thing is your going to have to learn is doing business the American way."<<<<<<<<<]
After you see how some Americans 'work', or do business, then you will realize why hard chargers who are NOT afraid to work can give entrenched businesses a hard time.
In most cases once you find out "how business is conducted" you will find out why companies farm work out to other countries rather than deal with much of the work force in America.
Good luck on your relocation----I have known a number of people who came to this county and because they work hard, value education and family values, absolutely cut the competition to ribbons.
There are any number of reasons why California is a good place to live...but I doubt a startup manufacturing business would be one of them---way to much distraction with gov't imposed social justice bull-shit along with much more gov't regulation that costs time and money.

Ox said:

I can't imagine going from Moscow to Houston!

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Why? Several graduates of the my academic department started working for Schlumberger (oil and gas drilling and production equipment). Their main production is in Houston if I'm not mistaken. Many of the guys who started working for them in Russia eventually moved to Houston, and no one seems to be disappointed.
However, in Russia they lived in gas production areas for 3-6 months, and after six months of polar night with a temperature of -50F, Houston will seem like paradise anyway)))))

Yeah, "winter" there will seem like paradise.
SUMMER - I'd be dying!

A chum of mine always likes to tell the story of his dad and another northerner being stationed in southern Texas. ('50's) The story is about how in the winter all the cowboys would be dressed up in their heavy, wool lined leather coats (classic Marlboro Man) all hunkerin' down, while these two Yankees would walk the streets in their shirt sleeves...

His story stops there.

What I want to hear is how the next summer went!
I bet they weren't laughing any more!
And summer last 9 months down there, fall/winter/spring only total about 3 months.
I think I'd rather be acclimated to the 9 months, as I can toss a coat on easier than I can take more layers off once I'm down to my birthday suit.


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standardparts said:

California is a good place to live...but I doubt a startup manufacturing business would be one of them---way to much distraction with gov't imposed social justice bull-shit along with much more gov't regulation that costs time and money

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Having a shop in California, I can't say I've at all been impacted by "social justice bull-shit". Real Estate, energy, labor costs are high though.

@Rescuer

I am not sure if you're still looking to relocate but this could be an option.


It appears to have 480v 3 phase power and living quarters as well. I doubt your wife would be thrilled to live at the shop but it could provide a good temporary solution at least until you've got your business settled in.

Freedommachine said:

I doubt your wife would be thrilled to live at the shop but it could provide a good temporary solution at least until you've got your business settled in.

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The photo is not the worst situation in the living room.
It seems to me that the biggest problem for the author of the topic will not be premises-equipment-housing, but obtaining the right to work legally in the US.

Milling man said:

The photo is not the worst situation in the living room.
It seems to me that the biggest problem for the author of the topic will not be premises-equipment-housing, but obtaining the right to work legally in the US.

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isn't that just a matter of picking the right state and throwing all your paperwork away?