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Lathe designed in Jersey but made in London

L Vanice

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Fort Wayne, IN
An amateur's lathe that cost 1500 pounds ($7000) shortly before 1870 indicates a serious interest in lathe work, and a wealthy owner. It was probably never duplicated, and probably has been destroyed. Nice that at least my old school (U. of Mich.) has the book that saved at least some of the specs.

As for purpose, an enthusiast that would commission such a machine may not have had any thought beyond owning the best small lathe that could be built. I have certainly bought plenty of machines and tools without having a particular project in mind for them. How many Shopsmith owners bought a machine that could do "anything" but ended up using it for little or nothing?

It is interesting that, before 1870, the owner tried powering it with a gas engine, but then tried a hydraulic motor. The editors of the magazine thought a gas fired steam engine would have been better.

Larry
 

Asquith

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Mar 3, 2005
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Somerset, UK
£1500 for a small lathe in 1870!! An ornamental lathe, and no doubt it was worth every penny.

I had a pleasant visit to Titus Salt’s Saltaire Mill, near Bradford, Yorkshire, last summer. It’s now a mixture of electronics manufacture, shops, galleries, cafés.

Salt was, for those times, a very caring employer, who made his fortune from the difficult business of spinning alpaca wool. West Yorkshire was famous for spinning and weaving wool, while Lancashire, on the other side of the Pennine Hills, did the same with cotton. Bradford was regarded as an even worse pit of poisoned misery than Manchester, so Salt built his new mill in the countryside outside Bradford, and established a well-planned village for his employees. He separated the houses from the mill by allotment gardens, so the workers could grow their own stuff. The allotment area can be seen in a photo below.


The village has eleven streets, each named after one of his children. I’m surprised he had time for his lathe.
One of the street names will appeal to us poms more than the N American members:-


Tourist information: if you’re in the area, you must also visit the nearby Bradford and Armley Mills (Leeds) Industrial Museums.

Titus Salt info:-

Salts Mill
 

monkeyiow

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Jan 9, 2023
An amateur's lathe that cost 1500 pounds ($7000) shortly before 1870 indicates a serious interest in lathe work, and a wealthy owner. It was probably never duplicated, and probably has been destroyed. Nice that at least my old school (U. of Mich.) has the book that saved at least some of the specs.

As for purpose, an enthusiast that would commission such a machine may not have had any thought beyond owning the best small lathe that could be built. I have certainly bought plenty of machines and tools without having a particular project in mind for them. How many Shopsmith owners bought a machine that could do "anything" but ended up using it for little or nothing?

It is interesting that, before 1870, the owner tried powering it with a gas engine, but then tried a hydraulic motor. The editors of the magazine thought a gas fired steam engine would have been better.

Larry

Hi Larry, old post but you may be interested to know the Lathe does still exist. Titus Salt Jnr did in fact produce many ornamental items, even a ceremonial mallet to lay the foundation stone of his Mansion 'Milner field'. In his Turning room adjacent to the Billiard room, he could power the lathe via water fed from a large cistern on the roof which doubled as a source for the fire suppression system!


George
 

L Vanice

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Fort Wayne, IN
Wonderful to know more about the lathe and see that Titus Salt Jnr. got to use it and left evidence of his skills before his early death. The town of Saltaire is a magnificent legacy. The story of his huge home and it's subsequent owners' misfortunes is sad indeed. I see the home was demolished in the 1950's after being abandoned since 1930. So, does Nick Salt have the lathe?


I recall, in looking up another English great house, that it had had the roof torn off in order to stop paying taxes on it because the owner was short on cash. The ruins and grounds are still something of a tourist attraction. Oddly enough, the story touches on my family. In 1949, my mother was turned loose to furnish a house my parents had bought after renting small places for years. She went to the local department store's interior decorator and, among other cool stuff, bought a framed Kashmiri embroidery that was claimed to be from the estate of "Lord Lonsdale." Thanks to Google, I have confirmed that the estate of the Earl of Lonsdale was real and they did have a big auction in 1947. The thing still hangs on my wall.


"...In 1939 or 1940 the castle was requisitioned for the war effort, and used for tank development. It was returned to the family, but not before 1954. The family could not afford to use or maintain it, and offered to give it away to the National Trust and other institutions. However, in those depressed post-war years they did not find takers. To avoid taxes they stripped the castle and removed the roof.

Hugh Lowther was the last resident of Lowther Castle. His brother Lancelot, the 6th Earl, inherited the estate in 1944; but because of Hugh's large debts he was forced to sell many of the family's treasures. A large auction sale was held in 1947..."

Larry
 
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monkeyiow

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Jan 9, 2023
I am currently restoring it back to working condition when time permits, as you can imagine trying to find out any information is indeed quite a task (and hence how I found this post). I have spoken with Nick and he has been helpful but unfortunately also can't fill in the blanks its history post Milner field. The estate sale catalogue has a picture of the billiard room next door but none of the turning room and sadly no house contents list to my knowledge has survived.
 

L Vanice

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It is wonderful to hear that the Salt lathe has survived.

The 1870 magazine with the Salt lathe has another engraving from a photo of an ornamental lathe by Plant with additional equipment by Holzappfel on page 421. This one was the property of yet another rich amateur, Hanbury Barclay of Handsworth, Birmingham UK. Handsworth was the location of the Soho Manufactory, Boulton and Watt's steam engine plant, which was torn down circa 1853.


Larry
 

cyanidekid

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I am currently restoring it back to working condition when time permits, as you can imagine trying to find out any information is indeed quite a task (and hence how I found this post). I have spoken with Nick and he has been helpful but unfortunately also can't fill in the blanks its history post Milner field. The estate sale catalogue has a picture of the billiard room next door but none of the turning room and sadly no house contents list to my knowledge has survived.
ok, now you have to fill us in on ALL the details. where is it now, how did you come to be involved/own it, etc. and pictures, pictures, pictures!
 

rivett608

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monkeyiow, Are you familiar with the Plumier Foundation in Port Chester, New York? It is an organization with the mission of preserving Ornamental Lathes and the skills to use them. They have a wonderful collection including Holtzapffel #1636, the most expensive and complete rose engine the company ever made. In addition their library contains most books written on the subject and be of a lot of help in your restoration. https://plumier.org/

 

Maltesehunter

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Apr 25, 2008
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Elk Grove, CA
ok, now you have to fill us in on ALL the details. where is it now, how did you come to be involved/own it, etc. and pictures, pictures, pictures!
Yes, pictures and story please. It's not every day a specific one-of-a-kind lathe is mentioned in an 1870s article and then the owner of the very lathe shows up saying he has it... nearly 153 years later. This is really awesome. Jake
 

monkeyiow

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Jan 9, 2023
It is wonderful to hear that the Salt lathe has survived.

The 1870 magazine with the Salt lathe has another engraving from a photo of an ornamental lathe by Plant with additional equipment by Holzappfel on page 421. This one was the property of yet another rich amateur, Hanbury Barclay of Handsworth, Birmingham UK. Handsworth was the location of the Soho Manufactory, Boulton and Watt's steam engine plant, which was torn down circa 1853.


Larry
Also in the same magazine on the 15th April there is an interesting reply from a well known contributor of the time 'JKP' explaining how the lathe was finished by Evans. From my research I think there was a Salt family member who married a Mr Smith around that time so maybe that's where the connection to the Island of Jersey and the original designer comes from?
 








 
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