Lodge & Shipley ID Help

Weldershop · Dec 31, 2022

Hi
I just purchased this lathe and cannot find any pictures that match it, and no model number is on the machine
Any help would be appreciated
It is a 16 I think

Andy FitzGibbon · Jan 1, 2023

One of their early, developmental efforts at a geared head. Pre-1920, as I recall. There should be a serial number stamped between the ways at the tailstock end of the bed, which will indicate year of manufacture.

johnoder · Jan 1, 2023

Andy FitzGibbon said:
One of their early, developmental efforts at a geared head. Pre-1920, as I recall. There should be a serial number stamped between the ways at the tailstock end of the bed, which will indicate year of manufacture.

Yes - between two REAR ways
The "cluster" of speed change levers says early - before this 1916 scan. I'll suppose they were busy replacing the Patent Head. Add the "other" appearing early gear head L&S - a big one in AK.

Weldershop · Jan 2, 2023

Here is the stamping on the rear way

Weldershop · Jan 2, 2023

I would like to know what model it is so I can find a operator manual

johnoder · Jan 2, 2023

Weldershop said:
I would like to know what model it is so I can find a operator manual

15192 is from the mid teens I'd guess - they were over 25K for serials as of 1920. No manuals in those days - or hardly any. If I find the old one I'll post it - but its much later than the teens
Here are some non L&S generic info you might find useful

http://vintagemachinery.org/pubs/1617/5795.pdf

Here is the not very useful one from 1921

http://vintagemachinery.org/pubs/2104/6068.pdf

L&S serial list says 15192 was built near the end of 1913

Weldershop · Saturday at 5:36 PM

Thanks For your help!
I bought a Shars quick change tool post for it.
any idea what size tailstock it might be, sorry but I am new to this, is there a simple way to measure and know ?
Thanks again

Weldershop · Saturday at 5:44 PM

one other question, what oil goes in the lil oil ports on the gear head ?
also is there any thing i should check over as far as lubrication before running it much ? i read about oil changes and oil pumps ????

Weldershop · Saturday at 6:38 PM

I also would like to switch it over to a conventional V Belt instead of the leather (I know this is kinda cool, but it the day it tears will not be)
is this "clutch (I assume thats what it is) on the end removeable ? able to be deleted and a v belt pulley configured on ??
Any thoughs or expreience will be apprecialted

Weldershop · Saturday at 6:39 PM

What does the GB-14 and GC-16 on the bottom of this tag mean, or are they of no importance ?

johnoder · Sunday at 7:47 AM

Weldershop said:
Thanks For your help!
I bought a Shars quick change tool post for it.
any idea what size tailstock it might be, sorry but I am new to this, is there a simple way to measure and know ?
Thanks again

Post #3 attachment above says MT 4 on tapers. You can always look at this list (Morse) and see what YOURS has

Standard Tapers

johnoder · Sunday at 7:48 AM

Weldershop said:
one other question, what oil goes in the lil oil ports on the gear head ?
also is there any thing i should check over as far as lubrication before running it much ? i read about oil changes and oil pumps ????

ISO 68 such as Mobil DTE Heavy Medium would do just fine

johnoder · Sunday at 7:54 AM

Weldershop said:
I also would like to switch it over to a conventional V Belt instead of the leather (I know this is kinda cool, but it the day it tears will not be)
is this "clutch (I assume thats what it is) on the end removeable ? able to be deleted and a v belt pulley configured on ??
Any thoughs or expreience will be apprecialted

Clutch s internal and part of geared head. The only practical way to use vee belts is skim cut the flat belt pulley (so it will be flat and not "crowned") and run belts on that and let the lower (or upper) pulley be a regular vee belt pulley.

Some clutch related stuff here

* More Old L&S Clutch Work

Thought you might enjoy my "southern engineering" on this rig to pull off drive pulley on my 24" Selective Head L&S. All sorts of trying to pry against classically rounded castings had no effect. So I came up with this. The plywood spreaders not only position things, but keep the business...

www.practicalmachinist.com

If following through with "repowering" DO NOT run input pulley on head stock faster than about 400. June 1922 pub says 395 on the 14" and 16"

Andy FitzGibbon · Sunday at 9:42 AM

If you're worried about the leather flat belt, I'd just replace it with rubberized cloth flat belt. Switching to vee belts would be a lot of work for not much gain.

Weldershop · Monday at 9:02 AM

Thanks so much for all the help!

garyphansen · Tuesday at 11:50 AM

Get a used serpentine belt from a truck it will last a long time and transmit much more power than the leather belt ever could. Go to the South Bend section of this web site and look for the directions in the thread entitled "Do the serpentine belt fix today".

Weldershop · 2023-01-18T14:21:42-0600

I like the truck belt idea, and with my set up, I will not need to splice it

Weldershop · 2023-01-18T14:23:22-0600

Weldershop · 2023-01-18T14:24:24-0600

Got to turn out the first repair job yesterday, I was happy with the results for a trial run

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