Schaublin 150 completely disassembled!

Grazio87 · Jan 12, 2017

Hello dear friends, I am writing because this summer I found in an old workshop (closed for years) a schaublin model 150.
With little money I was able to take it home because it was full of dust and rust without a few pieces (without even the tailstock).

Reading on the net, I realized that I had in my hands a great lathe, so I decided to restore it, unfortunately not only missing the tailstock to the lathe, but also the tool carrier slide, and if that wasn't enough, it also lacks the gear cover gear, some gears, and all electric plant!

Then I reali

zed that I could never restore it, too bad.

So I decided that the only way I have to use it you convert it to cnc.

So I no longer need the gearbox, and any other levers that serve the manual operation, so if anyone needs some components, sell them to the highest bidder

jCandlish · Jan 12, 2017

There is no easy way to install an X-axis ball screw on 150. You will find that all the "spare room" to change things has been engineered out of the lathe.

Those parts are almost certainly worth more to someone who needs them to repair a 150 than as a boged CNC conversion. The gearbox can also be fit to a 135 to allow inch pitches.

In my opinion you would be ahead to sell the 150 basket case and find yourself another lathe.

If you want to do a Schaublin retrofit start with a 126 or 128.

Monarchist · Jan 12, 2017

jCandlish said:
In my opinion you would be ahead to sell the 150 basket case and find yourself another lathe.

Seconded.

Intact as-had, and not boogered or with even MORE parts robbed.

There are always at least a few OTHER folks who can do a full restoral.

Bill

Luke Rickert · Jan 13, 2017

Does anyone know if the cross slide screw fits 135's, if so I am in the market

In all seriousness sell the machine/parts as is and buy a CNC lathe if that is what you want, it will be much cheaper and better at the end of the day.

L

Milacron · Jan 13, 2017

It is amazing that one of the best manual lathes in the world could get into that state in the first place....unless it was dropped during a move.

Grazio87 · Jan 13, 2017

jCandlish said:
There is no easy way to install an X-axis ball screw on 150. You will find that all the "spare room" to change things has been engineered out of the lathe.

Those parts are almost certainly worth more to someone who needs them to repair a 150 than as a boged CNC conversion. The gearbox can also be fit to a 135 to allow inch pitches.

In my opinion you would be ahead to sell the 150 basket case and find yourself another lathe.

If you want to do a Schaublin retrofit start with a 126 or 128.

The problem is that I have not found anyone since this summer that would buy it, the main problem are the missing parts.

Grazio87 · Jan 13, 2017

Milacron said:
It is amazing that one of the best manual lathes in the world could get into that state in the first place....unless it was dropped during a move.

In fact!

I am so sorry that a lathe so accurate has been treated so bad, I can't get interesting facts in what happened and who used it until now, who sold it to me has not been able to give me information.

It is precisely because I can't sell it whole that I want to sell the parts (which are in great demand).

Grazio87 · Jan 13, 2017

Today I checked the eccentricity of the spindle, and is approximately 3 microns (not bad!), then I took apart the spindle to see if there was rust (since there wasn't a drop of oil in spindle head) and fortunately it's all shiny, can't say the same for the exterior, there's some rust in the mk5.

Monarchist · Jan 13, 2017

Grazio87 said:
It is precisely because I can't sell it whole that I want to sell the parts (which are in great demand).

Don't be too eager.

Even a person in need of only part of it 'now' might be well-ahead to take ALL of it for future needs or trading material.

Whereas part-out is going to almost certainly leave you with 'residue' you cannot readily sell for long years.

Bill

mfisher · Jan 13, 2017

What part of Italy are you in?
What were you asking for the entire machine?

Grazio87 · Jan 13, 2017

I am a few kilometers from Rome, for the whole lathe I am asking 6000 euros.

Monarchist · Jan 13, 2017

Grazio87 said:
I am a few kilometers from Rome, for the whole lathe I am asking 6000 euros.

If you are good enough salesman to GET that for what you have?

I know a couple of Real Estate Brokers in Campione d' Italia that'd be happy to sell you a nice flat for a few million Euro.

Grazio87 · Jan 13, 2017

If you had your lathe, how much money would you ask?

ole.steen · Jan 13, 2017

Tailstocks are on the market sometimes. I have one for the 135 I never use, as I have another with a starwheel feed. I have seen others like the one I have, but possibly not for the 150. There was a certain aftermarket for topslides too, as there was an optional topslide for the Multifix listed in the catalogue. 6000 euros for the lathe may be too much, but somebody might be tempted for 3000 I would guess (not me!)
Ole

Monarchist · Jan 13, 2017

Grazio87 said:
If you had your lathe, how much money would you ask?

You don't HAVE a 'lathe'. You have part of one.

Either one of mine can make chips with half a day's work from cold start. No missing carriages - just wear.

Motor is out of one being refurbed, another motor here could be installed in about two hours, max.

Another is 'landlocked', needs only moved and wired to the Phase Perfect. Figure three hours or less.

And I have 'nose art' and other tooling for either/both (D1-3, 10EE's) in munificent abundance.

Market rate for either is about USD 3,000 with at least basic tooling (chuck, collet system, centres, toolpost, cutters). Expecting more than three large would be dreaming. Beds need reground. Carriage & TS refitted. At the least.

FWIW - Euro is near-as-dammit at parity with USD most days of recent weeks.

Don't get me wrong.

Schaublin's are certainly righteous enough to command MORE than your figure.

When complete.

Or at least a lot closer-to than your one.

Bill

Grazio87 · Jan 13, 2017

ole.steen said:
Tailstocks are on the market sometimes. I have one for the 135 I never use, as I have another with a starwheel feed. I have seen others like the one I have, but possibly not for the 150. There was a certain aftermarket for topslides too, as there was an optional topslide for the Multifix listed in the catalogue. 6000 euros for the lathe may be too much, but somebody might be tempted for 3000 I would guess (not me!)
Ole

HI ole,do you sell the tailstock of the 135?

Grazio87 · Jan 13, 2017

someone in the manual of schaublin 150 in English?

trevj · Jan 13, 2017

A couple years back, I could have helped you with a copy, but I no longer work or live there.

We had one of very few Sch.150 lathes in North America, apparently, in our shop.

I will echo what others have suggested, before you part out any of this and try to convert it to some bastard CNC, you really should be talking to Ruemema http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/deckel-maho-aciera-abene-mills/year-visit-ruemema-318515/ or any of the other higher end machine tools re-builders to see what it is worth to them. Like as not, as I see it, they will have the means and parts to make it whole and correct, even if you cannot afford to have them do so for your purposes.

Seems a shame to me, to part it out even further.

Take the money that they offer you for it, and apply that to buying what you will be able to actually use.

They will, if not buy it from you, be better than average, able to opine what the actual value of it as it is, should be, too.

Cheers
Trev

ole.steen · Jan 14, 2017

Grazio:

You could buy this one:
Tailstock SCHAUBLIN 15 - Machines offered at Machineseeker

And this one:
Precision Lathe Schaublin 135 - Machines offered at Machineseeker

If you are missing any gears, you could even buy the gears Cristian has, to the right in the pictures of the topslide.

I am not willing to sell my 135 tailstock, as I don't need money. On the other hand I would trade it for a nice swing table for a Schaublin 13 or 213 mill.

Remember that prices quoted are usually highly negotiable, even in Switzerland. The topslide is in Romania, listed by Cristian Negrila. I have found him to be very reliable and friendly.

Ole

Grazio87 · Jan 14, 2017

Thanks ole

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