Euro-Mill Registry

This thread is for members to post which Deckel and similar Euro-style machine(s) they have and which major acc's they own.
This will be useful for other members to learn who here has similar machines, and to get an idea of what is out there.


Items you may want to include:

Brand of machine (Deckel, Alexander, Aciera, etc.)
Series of machine: (FP,F, etc)
Size of machine: (1-2-3-4...etc.)
Style of machine: (lever, two dial, single dial)
Year of machine: (or close guess)
Serial number of machine: (optional)
Measuring standard: (imperial-metric)
Taper: (MT4-ISO40-NMTB40-NC Stud)
Control model for NC's: (Dialog 1-11, Contour...etc.)
Input voltage: (220, 440 or 220-380, 440-380...etc.)
Cabinet style: (no cabinet-ext cabinet)
Color of machine: (grey, green, repaint)
Condition of machine: (beat-fair-good-great-refurbished-new)
Major acc's: (U'table-indexer-HS head-DRO...etc)
Primary use: (hobbiest-molds-prototyping-production...etc.)
City, Country: (Deckelville, Deckelland)
Comments: (What the group might find interesting)

If you like, you could simply cut/paste my list and fill in the blanks. A single (smaller) photo (per machine) would be nice but is optional.

Please refrain from open discussion in this thread.

Thanks
Sean

[ 07-10-2005, 02:45 PM: Message edited by: Sean S ]

Series of machine: FP
Size of machine: 1
Style of machine: lever
Year of machine: approx. 1963
Serial number of machine: 36661
Measuring standard: imperial .100" per rev
Taper: MT4
Input voltage: 220V 3 phase by Teco VFD
Cabinet style: disconnected sitting in corner
Color of machine: grey, badly in need of a repaint
Condition of machine: mechanically great, visually a bit sad....
Major acc's: horizontal overam, vert head, rigid table
Primary use: hobbiest-prototyping
City, Country: Carefree, AZ (Phoenix area)
Comments: ????

Series of machine: FP
Size of machine: 1
Style of machine: 2 Dial
Year of machine: approx. 1970
Serial number of machine: 53059/08
Measuring standard: Metric
Taper: SK40
Input voltage: 220/380V 3 phase
Cabinet style: External
Color of machine: Originally grey,
Condition of machine: undergoing a full rebuild
Major acc's:
Horizontal overam
Vertical head
Slotting head
Fine boring head
High-speed-head
Rigid table
Tilting table
Dividing head (complete)
Rotary table
Spiral milling table (complete)
Centricator CIII (complete)
Wholhaupter UPA3 (complete)
Punch milling kit (incomplete)
4" vice
2 jaw vice
Cabinet (old style two door)
Collets, arbours, clamps etc (95% complete)
Primary use: hobby, prototyping
City, Country: UK
Comments: Most accesories have been stripped, re-sprayed and rebuilt, also they have been drawn in 3D CAD to facilitate my next model project, a 1/3rd scale FP1 and accsesories

My machine before shipping to England

Series of machine: FP/FP-NC
Size of machine: 1FP1, 2-FP2's 1-FP3 1-FP2NC, 1-FP4NC
Style of machine: change gear feed (FP1) 2-crank dial (FP2's) 1 dial change (FP3) Servo shift (both FP-NC's)
Year of machine: From 1945-1983
Serial number of machine: (optional)
Measuring standard: All manual machines imperial
Taper: 1-#4Morse (FP1) 3 Deckel #40, 2 NC 40 w/pull studd (CAT 40)
Control model for NC's: Dialog2 Dialog4
Input voltage: 220, & 380
Cabinet style: ext cabinets
Color of machine: (grey,& green
Condition of machine: Very goood, 1 FP2 in need of rebuild.
Major acc's: Universal tool makers table (FP4NC) plain table (FP4NC) univeral tables, riser, shaping head, high speed head, rotary table, centering microscope, 4 wolhaupter boring heads 3UPA-3's 1UPA-5. Capto boring system for FP4NC. Overarms, complete dividing head, Deckel vise, Long reach Vertical head (FP2) Heidenhain DRO's on FP2, & FP3.
Complete set collets (deckel) and CAT40 for FP4NC. Alignment arbor, horizontal milling arbors 1" and 1.250". Precision boring head.
Primary use: (hobbiest and prototyping
City, Country: (Benicia & Corte Madera California, USA)

Series of machine: FP-NC
Size of machine: 3
Style of machine: NC
Year of machine: 1987/1986
Serial number of machine: 2803-2989
Measuring standard: imperial and metric
Taper: 40 taper (Cat40)
Control model: Dialog 4
Input voltage: 240/3p, machine 380/3p
Cabinet style: "Tall" ext cabinet
Color of machine: Deckel GREEN
Condition of machine: Great
Major acc's:Two speed vertical head(S1/S2). Standard table for now.
Primary use: Production / MR on the farm
City, Country: Toppenish, WA
Comments: Use a phase converter. Control has ancient software. I'll add more as I aquire more! Yes, I was a "MR" in the NAVY.

Okay, Okay....here's my story;

FP1
lever type, no electrical cabinet so probably 1960ish
Got a articulated table, shaper head,indexer and a broken/repaired verticle head, horiz. overarm and Deckel vise. all MT4 but I made an adaptor for r-8 and I got a Wally for it.
It's not pretty, but does remarkable work here in Dallas were I make stuff for science with it. I think it's the only one in town and maybe Texas.

Previous owned Deckels: FP4NC, FP3NC, FP2, GK12, NEF 520


Current Machines;
Series of machine: 1 DMU 80T, 1 DMU 50 T, 1 CTX 410(lathe)
Size of machine: x35,y25,z25; x19,y15,z15; x10,z25
Style of machine: All CNC
Year of machine: 2004,1998,2005
Measuring standard: inch/metric
Taper: Cat40, Cat40, VDI
Control model for NC's: Heidenhain 530I, Millplus, Heidenhain Din Plus.
Input voltage: 208 to 400 v step up transformer
Color of machine: grey-white-ss, green-white, white-grey-green.
Major acc's: Heidenhain Infrared Probe on 80T
Primary use: prototyping-production
City, Country: Atascadero, CA, USA

Brand of machine: Deckel
Series of machine: FP
Size of machine: 4NC-TC
Style of machine: CNC toolroom/VMC hybrid
Year of machine: 1986?
Serial number of machine: (optional)
Measuring standard: imperial/metric
Taper:NC Stud
Control model for NC's: Dialog 3
Input voltage: 380v via 220v transformer
Cabinet style: Short NC cabinet
Color of machine: green
Condition of machine: Near New
Major acc's: Shared (see below)
Primary use: Holds my floor down
City, Country: Coos Bay, Oregon
Comments: This machine is rare in the USA due to its 20 position tool changer.


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Brand of machine: Deckel
Series of machine: FP
Size of machine: 3NC
Style of machine: CNC toolroom
Year of machine: '80's
Serial number of machine: ?
Measuring standard: imperial-metric
Taper: NC Stud
Control model for NC's: Contour 3 w/Siemens Sinumerik
Input voltage: 380v via 220v transformer
Cabinet style: Tall NC cabinet
Color of machine: green
Condition of machine: Iron good, control needs reprogramming
Major acc's: Universal toolmaker's rotary table w/Heidenhain
Primary use: fills space between FP3 and FP4NCTC
City, Country: Oregon
Comments: I bought this machine primarily for the universal table with hopes to retrofit the control. Although the control worked, I messed with it and dumped the parameters and have been hoping if I don't reprogram it, it will motivate me to do a conversion.

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Brand of machine: Deckel
Series of machine: FP
Size of machine: 3
Style of machine: single dial
Year of machine: '80's
Serial number of machine: ?
Measuring standard: imperial screws/metric via Heidenhain VRZ DRO
Taper: Factory NMTB40
Control model for NC's: N/A
Input voltage: 440v
Cabinet style: standard ext cabinet
Color of machine: green
Condition of machine: likely refurbished
Major acc's:Shared (see below)
Primary use: (hobbiest-prototyping
City, Country: Oregon
Comments: This is the machine I use the most. The condition is on par with the best reconditioned Deckels to be found in Europe. Tolerances and runouts on this machine are as good as it gets. Although I don't know for sure that it was refurbished, the condition would indicate so.

Shared Acc's:
Horizontal overarms in 2 styles for all
Vertical heads for all
2X Universal Toolmaker's tables w/Heidenhain (FP3/4)
1X Universal table (FP3)
1X rigid table (FP3)
1X fixturing table (FP3)
1X Universal Toolmaker's table (FP1)
2X Univeral table (FP-1)
1X rigid table (FP-1)
1X Jig grinding table
1X 500mm rotary table (all)
1X 300mm? indexing table
1X Optical rotary table
1X Jig boring head
1X jig grinding head
1X high speed head (FP3/3NC/4NC)
1X high speed head (FP-1)
1X slotting head (FP-3/4)
1X slotting head (FP-1)
1X corner milling attachment (all)
1X right angle head (FP-3/4)
1X right angle quill attachment (all)
2X Centricator III
1X Centricator I
3X Hensoldt centering scopes
1X Centering scribe
1X Deckel electronic center finder
1X Fine drilling attachment
2X high speed grinding heads + inverter
1X Wohlhaupter size 1 modular boring set
1X Wohlhaupter size 2 modular boring set
1X Wohlhaupter size 3 modular boring set
1X Wohlhaupter Universal modular boring set
2X Wohlhaupter UPA5
4X Wohlhaupter UPA3
2X Wohlhaupter UPA2
1X Planetor orbital grinding head (for Deckel)
1X Precise orbital grinding head (for Deckel)
2X D'andrea boring/facing heads (adapted)
2X Indexer (2, 3, 4, 6 jaw chucks, dogs, tailstock faceplates...all complete)
1X '80's Spiral milling attachment
3X punch milling attachments
1X Jena Optik protracting level (for Deckel)
2X Vise
1X FP-1 riser
1X FP-2/3/4 riser
4X old style (not appropriate but better) cabinets
Minor acc's (which is alot) or items stocked for sale not listed.



Sean

[ 08-23-2005, 01:43 AM: Message edited by: Sean S ]

I've got two machines, pretty the same.

Brand of machine : Maho
Series of machine: SK250
Year of machine: unknown (between '50 an '70)
Serial number of machine: 1553 (the other 1388)
Measuring standard: metric
Taper: MT4
Input voltage: 3 phase, 380 v
Cabinet style: no cabinet
Color of machine: orig.colour grey, repainted green
Condition of machine: very beat up
Major acc's: Universaltable, shaperhead, coolantpump
Primary use: hobbiest
City, Country: Twente, Netherlands
Comments: All motorgroups have their rat-bike member, I guess I'm the rat-mill member here.
Have a closer look at www.rijtuigen.net/hobby/metaalwerk/index.htm

Brand of Machine: Deckel

Series of machine: FP

Size of machine: 2

Style of machine: two double dials (older type) with x=500mm

Year of machine: December 1966

Serial number of machine: 2200-5084

Measuring standard: Metric (metric/Inch on the TopTen DRO)

Taper: SK40 S20x2

Input voltage: 3 phase 380V

Cabinet style: Ext. cabinet, original green

Color of machine: Original green (in Decklisch: Erstlack)

Condition of machine: Good, I think (but right now bonked-see story elsewhere)

Major acc's:
Long reach vertical head with bearing for hor. milling(Serial#5084 both)(0.08 nach links)
Slotting head(Serial#5084)
Fine Boring head and Riser block (Serial# 4504 both)
High Speed head, newer type with spindle lock and for hex key
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Index head SK40 (also original with machine) with:
3 division plates
supplementary dividing accs.
300 mm face plate
Deckel centering vise (called 2 jaw chuck)
overarm and tailstock with center
tailstock for mounting on table
84 mm 3 jaw chuck on SK40 arbor
SK40 Center with driver
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2 x 380 mm round tables with div. plates and suppl. dividing acss.(on their way from Germany)
Large fixed table
Swivelling table
TopTen 3 axis DRO arriving shortly (China made, but I couldn't afford Heidenhain)

Other accs.:
Wohlhaupter UPA3, new
Centricator CIII (ISO40 arbor) with 1 gauge(standard). Like new
Diacator centering device
Henninger 801 high speed (12000 RPM) "speeder" with SK40S20x2 arbor (with collets)
Kelch Weldon holders 6, 8, 10, 12, 16, 20 and 25 mm, new
Clarkson microadjustable S-type collet chuck, set of metric collets
Clarkson standard S-type collet chuck, more metric collets
Full set 0.5 to 17.5 mm Deckel 20mm standard collets with adapter(s)
SK40 direct collets 5 to 32 mm (almost all sizes, but not nice in taper)
Standard arbors 16, 22, 27, 32 and 40mm.
Long arbors 22 and 32 mm.
Albrecht chucks(0-10 + 1-13NC), with B16-SK40 Kelch arbors, all new


Primary use: Pure hobby, R/C model aircraft, maybe custom parts for my BMW R80 G/S

City, Country: Neksø on the Island of Bornholm in the Baltic Sea, Denmark, Scandinavia, Europe

Comments: I got the original test papers for the FP2 itself, the vert. head, slotting head
and Index head. They were tested by Deckel Dec. 1966 and together delivered to the Ford factories in Köln.


This picture taken when I drove to Köln to pay the seller and see the machine for the first time.

Brand of machine: Deckel
Series of machine: FP2
Style of machine: Dual dial
Year of machine: June/Aug 1979
Serial number of machine: 8951
Measuring standard: imperial
Taper: 40
Input voltage: 220v
Cabinet style: External
Color of machine: grey
Condition of machine: Very good
Major acc's: <<as below>>
Primary use: Hobby
City, Country: Sunnyvale, USA
Comments: Effectively the second owner of the machine. It is in very good condition and currently has a Sony
DRO mounted on it.

Major accessories:
Normal vertical head
Long reach head
Spiral milling attachment
Corner milling attachment
Angular milling attachment
Shaping attachment
Fixed (reversible) table
Universal table
Dividing (Index) head
Rotary table
Boring head
Grinding head (w/ variable frequency drive and optional electronic feed)
turbines for grinding head
High speed head
Raising unit
Full set of 40 taper collets and S20 collets (all imperial)
Full set of 40 taper collets (metric... they were cheap! )


Dividing head /rotary table hand-wheel
Centricator III
Grinding head attachments
Wohlhaupter UPA3 (40 taper)
Faceplate
3-jaw chuck
jaws for a 4-jaw chuck (no chuck)
Independent tailstock for index head
3X Hensoldt centering scopes
Large Deckel cabinet
Small Deckel cabinet
S20 to 40 adapter
MT4 to 40 adapter

A bunch of other stuff I have forgotten about!

Band Deckel
Series FP1
Style Lever
Age 1930's
Serial No 8811
Standard Imperial
Taper MT4
Voltage 440
Colour Grey
Condition very good

Accessories
Fixed table
Universal table Non Deckel with cross feed
Dividing Head
Slotting Head
Imperial collets
Face plate
Standard vertical head

Main uses are for clocks, gun smithing car components for restoration and building specials, sub contract machining, jigs and fixtures and anything else that I fancy.
located in Rugeley UK

I might add that this machine is probably the oldest FP1 still doing precision work, It is one of those machines imported by Alexander before WW2 and carries both Deckel and Alexander plates.

Brand of machine Aciera
Series of machine:F
Size of machine: 3
Style of machine: two dial
Year of machine: 1970
Measuring standard: metric
Taper: W 20 collets
Input voltage: 380 V
Color of machine: repaint
Condition of machine: fair
Primary use: (hobbiest
City, Country: Italy

I have a Deckel FP1 No. R 8740 I believe it had been reconditioned in the past. Vertical and Horizontal tapers are 40 deg. it is in vgc.
The only fault I can find is excesive backlash is in the x table screw which I have not tried to rectify as I do not know how to diasemble

Series of machine: FP
Size of machine: 1
Style of machine: 2 Dial
Year of machine: approx. 1973
Serial number of machine:
Measuring standard: Metric
Taper: SK40
Input voltage: 220/380V 3 phase
Cabinet style: External
Color of machine: Original grey,
Condition of machine: Good
Major acc's:
Horizontal overam
Vertical head
Slotting head
Fine boring head
Riser Block
Rigid table

I HAVE A 1970ISH VINTAGE FP4 WITH 22 IN ROTARY TABLE. I ALSO HAVE THE FIXED TABLE FOR IT. I SHOULD HAVE IT POWERED UP THIS WEEK.
THE MACHINE IS AN INCH MACHINE
40 TAPER
COLOR GREY, LOOKS ORIGINAL
240 VOLT 3 PHASE
PLANNING ON RUNNING ON A PHASE PERFECT 20 HP PHASE CONVERTER.
GOING TO ORDER SOME KLUBER 18 SPINDLE GREASE MONDAY.

Wanted: Wohlhaupter Universal Boring & Facing Head Model UPA5

I do not own this machine yet but am considering buying it if I can find enough tooling for it. It islocal to me and I have seen this machine; it is in good running order though missing some tooling and a few minor parts.

Brand of machine: Deckel
Series of machine: FP
Size of machine: 1
Style of machine: lever
Year of machine: 1950's
Serial number of machine: 32347
Measuring standard: imperial
Taper: MT4
Control model for NC's:
Input voltage: 220
Cabinet style: ext cabinet
Color of machine: green
Condition of machine: good
Major acc's:
Primary use: hobbyist, prototyping, production, repair
City, Country: Chapel Hill, N.C., U.S.A., 27516
Comments: lovely machine with many years of life left - tight & works smoothly - is missing a
horizontal arbor; need more collets for vertical head and end mill holders & stub arbors for horizontal use :: Lawrence : [email protected]

[ 02-08-2006, 05:39 PM: Message edited by: lflj ]

Brand of machine Deckel
Series of machine: FP3
Style of machine:
Year of machine: 1969
Serial number of machine: 0669
Measuring standard: inch
Taper: 40
Input voltage: 240 3ph
Cabinet style: My own custom. I used the Deckel breaker. As beautiful as their electrics are, I just didn't need another refrigerator sized object in my shop.
Color of machine: Several.
Condition of machine: good-great (Honestly don't know. But it appears to be very good.)
Major acc's: U'table, Hoffman rotary, horizontal overarm bearing, test bar (actually came with machine!), vertical milling head, Heidenhein dro.
Primary use: hobbiest-prototyping
City, Country: Coquille, Oregon, USA
Comments: Needs a new universal table swivel body casting. Someone broke the hinge ears on this one.


[ 04-12-2006, 06:45 PM: Message edited by: Gregg K ]