Hi Peter , thanks for a super fast reply. I figured the two machines were a bit different but was not sure just how different. The model I think I have bought is the FP4M (I say think, because the tender process has not been finalized 100%), but she is an FP4M. I have some old Deckel machine catalogues but nothing on the 4M. I also have an FP1, I take it that the FP4 is a much bigger better machine, but as they say "horses for courses" I will not lie, I love the Deckel stuff, have now collected the KF1, GK21, SO grinder, FP1 and the FP4M, also have little Aciera F3 but that's jsut cause I like the machine's simplicity. By the way thanks for all your input on the forum, have read many of your threads. Brent