Daewoo 230 q setter

I recently purchased an older Daewoo Puma 230 msc, equipped with the q setter. I am fairly unfamiliar with Doosan/Daewoo machines. Could someone who has more experience than me please walk me through step by step setting tool offsets, and work offsets? i was able to set them without it, but I cant seem to find anything in the 8 manuals I was given with the machine to operate the q setter.

I used to work for them and did the training. PM me for manuals, I wrote them.
In the mean time, it would be a pleasure to help, here.

The easiest way is to call a tool via MDI, ie, "T0101."
Lower the Q setter.
Wheel the tool to within about .125 of the tool setter in z, press jog and hold until the tool is measure.
Back away, wheel the tool .125 in X, do the same.
You've now measure the tool.

After all the tools have been measured like above, call your main tool (usually the rough OD tool) in MDI and then call the desired work coordinate (G54 etc),
touch the tool to the part -
"Measure, Z (desired amount), then "EXEC."

i appreciate the walk-through. it seems that my "tool measure" button is not working? when i jog the tool to the presetter, it stops on its own, but no values change, and the measure softkey doesnt seem to do anything. is there something i am missing?

There may be a Keeper Relay or parameter out of whack.
You may have to ask DN about that.

So I have a 230 with a toolsetter. The tool is brought up to the presetter manually but then I go to the JOG mode and let the machine ever so slowly bring the tool to the button. The tool is measured when a LIGHT turns on at the eye you're touching off to. The whole process is super fast. If you need guidance CALL me and I can operate my lathe while you're on yours, and we can walk through it. For me at this point, I don't hardly need to think about it and I just do it.

As a WARNING, if you're programming your lathe late at night and inadvertently enter a command to lower the parts catcher- an option I DON'T have- your tool presetter arm will NEVER come down. How do I KNOW this? The fix is to enter the M-code for tool catcher UP. Then the control knows there's NOT going to be interference. I became QUITE knowledgeable about HOW my presetter works with this adventure.

When I'm touching off my tools, I don't think I touch any soft keys that say tool measure. The measure button is used for touching off the part, but there's MORE to it than just hitting measure.

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So I have a 230 with a toolsetter. The tool is brought up to the presetter manually but then I go to the JOG mode and let the machine ever so slowly bring the tool to the button. The tool is measured when a LIGHT turns on at the eye you're touching off to. The whole process is super fast. If you need guidance CALL me and I can operate my lathe while you're on yours, and we can walk through it. For me at this point, I don't hardly need to think about it and I just do it.

As a WARNING, if you're programming your lathe late at night and inadvertently enter a command to lower the parts catcher- an option I DON'T have- your tool presetter arm will NEVER come down. How do I KNOW this? The fix is to enter the M-code for tool catcher UP. Then the control knows there's NOT going to be interference. I became QUITE knowledgeable about HOW my presetter works with this adventure.

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I really appreciate the walkthrough, when I follow the above procedure, I noticed there is no number that actually changes on the offset table, so I just copy the number in the machine coordinate table into the tool offset table. I also noticed that the speed at which you feed the tool into the q setter will vastly change the dimension, so I jog in as slowly as possible. I figured it was supposed to automatically copy the machine coordinate into the table but it doesn't, and this is working, it's just an extra step.

It doesn't sound like your control KNOWS you're setting your tools. When the toolsetter arm drops down, the JOG mode is controlled by the toolsetter.
There's a series of things that have to work for it to function. The machine has a built in ladder diagram, that in real time shows what's happening, It's been a few years since I had my issue with the tool arm and my inadvertent use of the parts catcher down "M" code. In toolsetting the jog button speeds are SUPER slow- NOT controlled by the switches on the control panel. When my red light goes on on my toolsetter, the value on the offset table instantly CHANGES. Something is NOT allowing your system to work. Do you have a Fanuc control? Your machine was made the same year as mine, so they've got to be REALLY similar.

As soon as my arm drops down, the control knows I'm touching off tools and the JOG system changes to ultra slow.

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It doesn't sound like your control KNOWS you're setting your tools. When the toolsetter arm drops down, the JOG mode is controlled by the toolsetter.
There's a series of things that have to work for it to function. The machine has a built in ladder diagram, that in real time shows what's happening, It's been a few years since I had my issue with the tool arm and my inadvertent use of the parts catcher down "M" code. In toolsetting the jog button speeds are SUPER slow- NOT controlled by the switches on the control panel. When my red light goes on on my toolsetter, the value on the offset table instantly CHANGES. Something is NOT allowing your system to work. Do you have a Fanuc control? Your machine was made the same year as mine, so they've got to be REALLY similar.

As soon as my arm drops down, the control knows I'm touching off tools and the JOG system changes to ultra slow.

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This definitely confirms what I've been thinking, it seems off to have a tool setter and still have to enter values manually. Yes, it's a Fanuc 18-T

Sorry for the rookie questions, first time Daewoo owner here.. what is the procedure for the 'measure' button?

I'm running my lathe for a few parts today and paid attention to what my machine is doing. So I have a 21T control which may be slightly different than yours.
As soon as the arm drops down my offset page appears on the screen with the tool that is currently active is highlighted. Touching off changes the related offset
for "z" or X. Change the tool in the turret to the next one I want to touch off and the related tool on the offset page is highlighted. NO manual entering of anything is needed. Of course the JOG mode is changed to the slo-mo mode. There's TWO proximity switches in the BASE of the tool arm. I'd BET one of them is not doing what it should. One of them controls the arm, but I'd bet the other one is telling the control to go to the tool preset mode. I've remained blissfully unaware of the circuitry that controls the actual electronics portion of the presetter. These ARE proximity switches, and have an indicator light on them that MAY or may not be working.

I JUST turned on my lathe and in about two minutes touched off and set five new tools. This thing works great. I'll pay attention to what I'm doing when I measure the actual part offset. After twenty two years, I'm on autopilot, and don't have to think through the process- it's like riding a bike. The soft keys and a sequence of pushing the right buttons in ORDER enters your part offset. I'll take note and write another post.

You would want to go buy a lottery ticket if you're lucky enough to figure out the sequence of buttons to push to touch off your part. After touching off where you want the Z axis to zero at- push Offset Setting button on main control panel, a button my 21T control has right next to all the goofy key setup for entering. This will bring up the Offset page on your screen, and some soft key commands appear. Push Work soft key. If this is the first time you've zeroed a part in the day, you will need hit the DOWN arrow on your main keyboard to bring the Work Coordinates highlight data from 00 to (EXT)Z. I USUALLY hit the work button again, then push the TOOL Measure Switch which is right in the middle of my main keyboard area. THEN I enter Z zero by pushing the "Z" key and the number zero on the main keypad. This will bring up another soft key- MEASURE. Push the measure soft key and your offset is entered. I ALWAYS verify by pushing my POS ( NOT that POS but short for POSITION) switch to verify that my tool is now shown at Z zero. It takes ten times longer to read this than to actually do it.

So I had problems at least two years ago with my tool arm. What's still on my desk in front of my lathe? The SCHEMATICs for the tool arm, from Doosan. The schematic shows it's the same for 16, 18 and 21T controls. You DO have a PC board mounted separately in the control cabinet for the tool presetter. Be interesting to figure out what is NOT telling your control that you're trying to touch off tools, YET the arm drops down.

Awesome information, I can't thank you enough Brian. I've got a more pressing issue with the lathe that needs to be addressed but as soon as that's sorted out I'll be revisiting this procedure  several times. Thank you!!