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Shipping Bridgeport Mill Freight - Pallet Making

alcro1998

Cast Iron
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Nov 10, 2020
Location
Central Ohio
Hi, I am shipping a Bridgeport 9x48 freight and had a couple questions. I have everything else figured out as far as how to pack the machine on the pallet and how to construct the pallet.

1. I was wondering if the pallet should be made so the forklift picks the mill up from the front or from the side.

2. How big should the pallet be? I am leaning toward 60x60 right now and I think it'll be quite stable and wont be too big for a forklift to pickup.

Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks!
 

specfab

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May 28, 2005
Location
AZ
I would make the pallet as you have it sized, then the decision is how to place the machine. I would pick it from front or back, for better stability on the forks. If I were shipping a quasi-valuable machine like this, with 48" table, I would make an enclosure around the machine, if not a full crate. If you build a half-height box around the machine, much less chance of some doofus trying to pick up the machine under the table with a forklift. If the ram is exposed above the half-crate, someone could pick it under the ram if needed to get it off the pallet, without much risk, or get to the eye-hook hole in the top of the ram.
 

Superbowl

Cast Iron
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Feb 12, 2020
Its pretty easy to remove the motor and head so I would remove them and strap them to the pallet. Then do the cage around everything. Size the pallet so there is room for the head and motor to be strapped down although 60x60 is likely plenty big enough. Also lower the knee all the way and remove the handles from both sides of the table and the x handle. Lock all the gibs. With the head and motor removed you take away a lot of the top heaviness.
 

bsg

Titanium
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Jan 17, 2003
Location
Imlay City, Michigan
Hi, I am shipping a Bridgeport 9x48 freight and had a couple questions. I have everything else figured out as far as how to pack the machine on the pallet and how to construct the pallet.

1. I was wondering if the pallet should be made so the forklift picks the mill up from the front or from the side.

2. How big should the pallet be? I am leaning toward 60x60 right now and I think it'll be quite stable and wont be too big for a forklift to pickup.

Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks!
I don't think your pallet is big enough.....IIRC, the Bridgeports were shipped on a 6' square pallet with the machine at a 45°.
Unless your shipping a machine on a flat bed strapped down and not moved for the ride, your taking a huge risk.
Freight company trucks will be loaded and unloaded several times......good luck trying to recover any insurance money for damaged machines!

Kevin
 

alcro1998

Cast Iron
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Nov 10, 2020
Location
Central Ohio
I don't think your pallet is big enough.....IIRC, the Bridgeports were shipped on a 6' square pallet with the machine at a 45°.
Unless your shipping a machine on a flat bed strapped down and not moved for the ride, your taking a huge risk.
Freight company trucks will be loaded and unloaded several times......good luck trying to recover any insurance money for damaged machines!

Kevin
Yeah I noticed that 60" is actually not enough as well. It barley covers the footprint of the machine. I like the 72" rotated at a 45 degree idea.

Thanks
 

M.B. Naegle

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Feb 7, 2011
Location
Conroe, TX USA
Any time shipping machinery in a box truck, I find it helps to look at it the same as the freight company does. When they (the trucker, the forklift driver, the office dispatcher, everyone) look at your mill, all they see is a cube that weighs "x" amount. If your packaging requires them to look at it in any other way, expect it to be damaged.

In other words, If your box has a handle sticking out the side, no amount of yellow tape will keep it from getting broken off.

The only difference between shipping freight and shipping parcels, is that the former is "expected" to stay upright and be moved with fork equipment, while the later will most likely roll from point A to point B and be moved by hand.

In my experience, 90% of a crates strength is in the pallet and how well the machine is secured to it. The sides are a barrier that establishes the size of the hole needed to fit it on the truck, but don't really protect the machine. I've seen crates with bullet-proof sides with the contents destroyed because it wasn't secured inside or it had a weak pallet that gave way. If your pallet can't be moved with a pallet jack or requires the forks to be positioned some way, expect the crate to be roughly shoved around as the driver tries to cram 100lbs. of stuff in his 10lb. box (which isn't his fault. That's on the dispatcher).

I haven't ever shipped one on a pallet, but anytime I move a knee mill long distance, I drop the knee as far as it'll go so it rests on a wood block (lower COG and takes strain off the vertical screw), and flip the head 180, which often requires it to be tilted front to back too. Taking the table off would save space, but it's really up to you and who's receiving it how much reassembly they want to do. However you decide to fold up or disassemble the mill, measure the widest, deepest, and tallest points on the machine, add 3" to each side as a buffer, and that's your crate dimensions. If you leave the table on the machine, you need to measure from the tip of one handle to the other, for example.

Anything over 1000lbs, I prefer to use 4x4's as the runners and have them directly under the machine with 2x4's on the ends, provided the arrangement allows a 30" wide pallet jack to fit in there. I also prefer to add 1x4 braces under the runners as a little added insurance in case it decides to tip, they'll catch under the forks. 2x4's are too thick and a pallet jack won't roll over them.

When you secure the machine to the pallet, your goals are to keep it from sliding and keep it from lifting/tipping. However you do that via bolts, boards, straps, rope, etc. is only going to be worthwhile if it does those things. I only use lag bolts on heavy machinery (1000lbs+) if there's at least 4" of wood for them to go into, any less I'd rather use through bolts to avoid having it pull through. Use carriage bolts with the nut on top. Any other bolts with nuts underneath will be a pain for the guy uncrating it as the forks will have bent or mushroomed the threads. I'd also add 2x4 cribbing around the base.

In regards to top-heavy machines, or machines that arrive lying on their side, I find that most accidents happen when the crate is going onto or coming off the truck. This goes back to the issue of keeping pallets easy to move with a pallet jack, and understanding the limits of lift gates. Most drivers know them, but the dispatchers not always. Remember that the crate will likely be offloaded and reloaded onto a different truck (think like a layover at the airport), unless you pay for divided service (non-stop ticket).

Putting arrows and messages on the outside of crates (lift here, don't stack) is helpful, but only if you can read it at a glance (I hate those "please please please don't stack me!" cartoons) and be prepared for them to be ignored. If you don't want a crate stacked, make the sides tall enough that it's not an option. The best crates have the weight centered on them and can be easily lifted and moved from any side.
 
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alcro1998

Cast Iron
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Location
Central Ohio
I’ve decided on the final design.

64x70”
2 4x4s under the machine
1 4x4 on each end
2x4s boxing in the base
4 1x4s underneath
Top solid or mostly solid with 2x? Material.

Machine bolted through the middle 2 4x4s with all thread.

4ft tall cage made with 2x4s and 1x4s

2 ratchet straps running over the ram and under the 4x4s. Off the ground because of the 1x4s underneath.

I’m also thinking of maybe having a 2x4 structure running over top and bolting it to where the dro mounts. Not sure though
 

Modelman

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Sep 12, 2007
Location
Northern Illinois
Four lenghtwise 4x4s is bad, as they won't be spaced properly for a pallet jack. I would use three with two crosswise 4x4s above them, with the machine through bolted to those, and all the 4x4s bolted together where they cross. Otherwise, sounds good.
 

tomjelly

Stainless
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Aug 26, 2007
Location
GA
I've used this style for mills. Resists tipping, yet can still use a pallet jack
 

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Tom

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Upstate New York USA
Here is how we ship them from the factory, "Lifting end only" is the heavy side with the majority of the base on it. Skid is completely bolted together, and machine is bolted to the skid with the head inverted. Covered only in the cardboard box marked "lift this end only". All lumber is what we call "rock oak", it's tough stuff.
 

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johfoster

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2 ratchet straps running over the ram and under the 4x4s. Off the ground because of the 1x4s underneath.
If you use straps or webbing try to do it in such a way that forks can not hit it when pulling under the skid, or there is a chance that a forklift at a terminal will tear through them. (I know from experience)
 

john.k

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Dec 21, 2012
Location
Brisbane Qld Australia
if the transport is iffy,it doesnt hurt to include a couple of old tyres ........Ive found tyre packing will resist just about anything,including falling off a truck...........however tyres are a big no -no for export ...a lot of countries wont allow used tyres at all.
 

bsg

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Jan 17, 2003
Location
Imlay City, Michigan
Here is how we ship them from the factory, "Lifting end only" is the heavy side with the majority of the base on it. Skid is completely bolted together, and machine is bolted to the skid with the head inverted. Covered only in the cardboard box marked "lift this end only". All lumber is what we call "rock oak", it's tough stuff.
What's is the size of the skid?

Kevin
 








 
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