OT making me a better toolmaker

plastikdreams · Monday at 6:58 PM

So I've been a machinist for over 15 years, programmer, manual, edm Yada Yada. Guy at work gets the group leader position he's also the main tool designer (we've rubbed heads before, he's a know it all, greatest at everything, childish prick) anyway, I use cad/cam in my work. I'm very efficient and there are certain projects it just speeds up the process immensely. So now, to make me a better toolmaker I can no longer use cad and was given drawings with only halt the dimensions. So I'm trying to figure out how this is going to make me better?

memphisjed · Monday at 7:20 PM

plastikdreams said:
So I've been a machinist for over 15 years, programmer, manual, edm Yada Yada. Guy at work gets the group leader position he's also the main tool designer (we've rubbed heads before, he's a know it all, greatest at everything, childish prick) anyway, I use cad/cam in my work. I'm very efficient and there are certain projects it just speeds up the process immensely. So now, to make me a better toolmaker I can no longer use cad and was given drawings with only halt the dimensions. So I'm trying to figure out how this is going to make me better?

Because wax on wax off with one hand tied behind your back thing...

I feel your pain, and yes cad has made my math brain fat and lazy.

turnworks · Monday at 8:09 PM

Hope I’m wrong but sounds like he wants you gone. If he has no dirt on you then he is making his own on you by slowing you down.

Again hope I’m wrong.

EmanuelGoldstein · Monday at 9:39 PM

plastikdreams said:
So now, to make me a better toolmaker I can no longer use cad and was given drawings with only halt the dimensions. So I'm trying to figure out how this is going to make me better?

You need to work on your ESP. Who knows when we may get a job from the extraterrestrials ?

plastikdreams · Tuesday at 4:59 AM

turnworks said:
Hope I’m wrong but sounds like he wants you gone. If he has no dirt on you then he is making his own on you by slowing you down.

Again hope I’m wrong.

I don't think it's that, my wife seems to think he is threatened because I can design and program. None of the other guys can do that. I plan to just keep doing what I do and not really worry about it...

kenton · Tuesday at 5:48 AM

Sounds like a good excuse to tune up your resume either way.

Cole2534 · Tuesday at 5:53 AM

kenton said:
Sounds like a good excuse to tune up your resume either way.

In an ideal world this would be an annual practice, along with renegotiating all of your phone/cable/insurance bills.

Mtndew · Tuesday at 6:50 AM

plastikdreams said:
So I'm trying to figure out how this is going to make me better?

I would ask the person that made that decision.

GregSY · Tuesday at 7:12 AM

It seems that in today's world a person who will clock in every day is worth his weight in gold. A guy who can do that and actually knows anything? Should be able to get a good job just about anywhere. Find a better job closer to home that pays more.

gwelo62 · Tuesday at 7:12 AM

Send an email to get in writing his reasoning. Then go to a level or two higher.

DDoug · Tuesday at 7:18 AM

gwelo62 said:
Send an email to get in writing his reasoning. Then go to a level or two higher.

Yup, sounds like your being set up to take a fall.

RC Mech · Tuesday at 7:50 AM

This guy is preventing you from using CAD/CAM and modifying drawings?

If the dwgs are customers, make the argument that the customer provided the specifications which are now being removed, to their detriment. Ditto of they’re internal dwgs for another dept. The specs are there for a reason and no mis-applied excuse for “learning experience” changes the fact that any mistakes related to errors cost time and money and were COMPLETELY AVOIDABLE.

I had a prick like this in engineering school as a supervisor for the FSAE team. His excuse was always “I’m helping you learn”. No, you’re an asshole. Regardless of your “intention”, you’re just an asshole.

plastikdreams · Tuesday at 8:34 AM

GregSY said:
It seems that in today's world a person who will clock in every day is worth his weight in gold. A guy who can do that and actually knows anything? Should be able to get a good job just about anywhere. Find a better job closer to home that pays more.

I'm paid well and 3 miles from home lol its not worth leaving over.

Comatose · Tuesday at 8:52 AM

When customers start leaving when the quotes are too high because he has intentionally hobbled his staff, he'll complain about a "race to the bottom."

jim rozen · Tuesday at 7:45 PM

"...given drawings with only halt the dimensions."

Dimensions not stated can be any size. Provide HIS drawing to QC with the parts made from them. The parts will be in spec and pass QC.

Results:

1) they fire him
2) they try to fire you. That's where you trot out his drawings again.

If they still can you they were gonna do it anyway but at least you can have some fun pointing out what a jerk he is.

BTW how upstate is upstate nj? zip code maybe?

EmanuelGoldstein · 2023-01-18T01:16:40-0600

Aren't toolmakers traditionally old and grumpy ? Old part takes care of itself but admit it, aren't you a little grumpier than before ?

See ? You're already slightly better

AD Design · 2023-01-18T09:32:15-0600

I hate to suggest this but it sounds like a classic case of "sandbagging". Slow down your "opponent" by denying access to tools that will speed up the project, missing dimensions also increases the chance of getting something out of spec or the wrong dimension. Drawings with missing dimensions can also turn up later with references/dimensions added (read into that). First day at a new job the lead man handed me a sketch where the dimensions didn't jive with the internal features. Caught this as I started milling the L/W/H of the block. Honest mistake or an intentional banana peel? It was intentional as I discovered later. No reason to cut you off from CAD that benefits the company or anybody but him. If he's now the lead there will be discussions you won't be present for. Document things in a CYA file is my advice. Refreshing your resume wouldn't hurt either. Good luck.

jim rozen · 2023-01-18T11:32:54-0600

"...discussions you won't be present for..."

Sage advice. I know about those.....

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